Please, understand.. It's not always the healers fault!

[Askyl]

Heyo! I have never actually had a problem with healing either normals or heroics (I'm Paladin<3). Sure, they're hard and you actually have to make an effort compared to neverending mana spamhealing the tank in WLK.

But now I've had enough. Every wipe it's my fault. "You didn't heal the tank!". Well no shit, the DPS is doing 5k-6k each (usually i've seen DPS do atleast 8k) and the boss took ages to get down. Went out of mana and still kept up the tank and party pretty good from 30%-5% health before wipe.
On that fight I pushed out 9k HPS (Usually 8k~ish with some mana over in heroic bosses) because I had to spam heal the DPS since they don't understand "Do not stay in fire!".

The boss fight was "High Prophet Barim". Didn't even had a problem with him first time I did the instance with blue/green gear, now I got ilvl 346.

They kicked me after arguing how I failed as a healer and should learn 2 play. Are people really that thick minded? Don't they know by now that healing actually isn't easy and they have to make en effort themselfs as tanks and DPS.

Before you tell me to do guildruns, we're a small guild with 6-7 IRLS and we're not always online at the same time. I have a 8 months old son to take care of aswell. Almost everyone have enough ilvl for heroics now though, so will be doing heroics with guild only after christmass.


So, I beg you random and think headed people. The problem can be both DPS and Tank, not just healers.

[cdtcpl]

The "problem" is you are using LFD where everyone seems to have the philosophy of 'it's never my fault'. I have seen more of these threads and we all knew they were coming.

So to sum it all up, if you want a group to be honest on who is to fault run only with friends/guild, otherwise if using LFD throw all reason and sanity out the window.

[Deleted]

I really understand your frustration. You need to learn to let dps die....and then say "its either you or the tank, learn to get out of stuff". A good amount people that are currently doing heroics are the scrubs that got left behind while lvling. The good ones dont need heroics anymore (Lvling in cata is not about time, its about not going to vashj'ir after completing MH or not going to TH cuz you still have 70 quests in Uldum).

So have patience wait till after christmas and go with your irls.

[Kelleto]

9 times out of 10 it's the DPS' fault for not CCing or interrupting or for pulling threat. Yes I'm DPS btw.

[Treesus]

I so far, have had the opposite happen. I joined my first series of heroics via LFD and I was upfront told em I had NO idea what the damage would be like ect, and if they didn't want to waste the time for me to learn heroic healing to /kick me. 4/5 groups where very understanding, explained fights I hadn't experienced yet, tolerated bad spell choices by me and overall made it enjoyable.

I am by no means delusional enough to think this is the norm though Even in normals I've been accused of "not healing the tank" that's why I love skada/recount. I link them the HPS of the fight, inc dmg to the tank and the tanks death, then explain to them that while I am awesome and malfurion's illegitimate son, I cannot heal stupid, and we have a hunter 2 mages and a ret paladin use the CC stop trying to AOE.

[iceberg265]

If the tank dies, its the healer's fault. If the healer dies, its the tank's fault. If a DPS dies, they did something fucking stupid.

Also yes, a lot of DPS trying to do heroics really should not be. I've noticed this even in my guild. Its like, the tanks and the healers have all this stress because heroics are substantially harder than they were in Wrath, but the DPS just keep queuing up, doing their 6k DPS without a care in the world.

[Kelleto]

If the tank dies, its the healer's fault. If the healer dies, its the tank's fault. If a DPS dies, they did something fucking stupid.

^ this over an over

[Aknot]

If the tank dies, its the healer's fault. If the healer dies, its the tank's fault. If a DPS dies, they did something fucking stupid.

Yes because the tank or healer can never do anything stupid... oh wait....

[Deleted]

If the tank dies, its the healer's fault. If the healer dies, its the tank's fault. If a DPS dies, they did something fucking stupid.

Well the way i read it was "If the tank dies, its the healer's fault. If the healer dies, its the tank's fault. If a DPS dies, they pissed either the tank or the healer off." Well you could also add the pissed the hunter off....damn Misdirect :/

[Deleted]

Healers are hippy's....
Hippy's hate war....

so.. healers don't want to fight and thats why the group failes...

in short.. yess it's the healers fault.... .

nah i'm joking; , it's nobody's fault, it's just a game and you play it with humans and humans need to learn or make mistakes...
so don't get agitated when you die...

[Buckwald]

If the tank dies, its the healer's fault. If the healer dies, its the tank's fault. If a DPS dies, they did something fucking stupid.

OR the DPS are doing exactly what they are supposed to, but the tank isn't good enough at tanking. But, hey, I'm just playing Devil's advocate here...

[Askyl]

So, if I let DPS die and we wipe it's better then trying to keep DPS up and maybe let tank die at 5% and still kill the boss. Okey. Well, I understand the theory but I'm pretty much of a perfectionist. I need to complete the bosses with all alive or I feel like I've failed or done something bad.

And with the DPS in that group, we really needed all DPS alive to even have a chance to kill the boss.

Ah well, I got kicked.

[Eled.]

Yes because the tank or healer can never do anything stupid... oh wait....

Like, a tank staying in a void zone or that kind of things.

[Eijnar]

Sadly the majority of people you end up with in LFD is - retards; who only can focus on recount and damage - Ignoring CCing, blaming tanks / healers for dying despite they aren't even bothering to interrupt anything, stand in fire / bombs or whatever and is pulling crappy dps. As another pointed out - the majority of dps who is doing HCs now is the people who got left behind. Luckily if you are raiding and doing a decent amount of bosses each week you might even skip dailies due to the Valor cap, but my advise try to find some decent people in your guild / server and only do HCs with them since you will eventually rage quit groups due to the majority is completely ignorant and still doing everything WOLTK style.

[Littlebruddy]

I never heal a dps until they have successfully stepped out of the fire. How will they learn if you heal them through it?

[Zuldain]

If the tank dies, its the healer's fault. If the healer dies, its the tank's fault. If a DPS dies, they did something fucking stupid.

I'll give you that this is true 85% of the time. Let's not forget that the 15% of the time when the healer or tank makes a mistake. There is a certain amount of inevitable damage in some fights and not all dps can heal themselves to a 'safe zone'.

Also, healers and tanks can absolutely "stand in the fire" too.

[McFrotton]

9 times out of 10 it's the DPS' fault for not CCing or interrupting or for pulling threat. Yes I'm DPS btw.

sometime it happens i break CC cuz the pull went bad or I hit tab and grab the wrong target mistake happen

[Oneirophobia]

I was just in a regular Lost City of the Tol'Vir run and on the first pull, I was smiting/healing with attonement/collecting on evang and surge of light (surprise! I'm disc), and this kitty druid started wailing that "So I see healers still think they're the shit and DPS in dungeons." I tried to link my talents in party but he refused to read them.

I was so mad! He later tried to get me kicked which backfired and got him kicked. He spent so much time berating me that he num-locked into mobs while typing at me, his DPS was lower than mine, and all I was doing was smiting 5 or so times for the healing % increase with evange. ._. Its not like I was doting up the mobs or anything, or wasting pennance for DPS.

Not too on topic, but a story about healers getting blamed for silly things. Its not like anyone was dying.

[Simca]

If the tank dies, its the healer's fault. If the healer dies, its the tank's fault. If a DPS dies, they did something fucking stupid.

A clearcut generalization like this will never work. Tanks kill DPS all the time. Healers kill DPS all the time. I'm saying this from a perspective of playing all three roles extensively, mainly a healer.

Maybe if bosses had 2 abilities, "CLEAVE" and "FIRE", this theory would work, but they don't, and it doesn't.

[Aknot]

Like, a tank staying in a void zone or that kind of things.

I have nothing constructive to say... I just like your avatar.