Fear immune remove from Berserk?

[Deleted]

What effects this kind of change would do on PvE tanking?

While all other tanks have their tools to remove Fear?

War: Bers. Rage / Pal: Bubble / DK: Lichborne

Does this change make Bears useless when compared others? I know it doesnt, but i want to hear your feelings.

[Shoelace]

What effects this kind of change would do on PvE tanking?

While all other tanks have their tools to remove Fear?

War: Bers. Rage / Pal: Bubble / DK: Lichborne

Does this change make Bears useless when compared others? I know it doesnt, but i want to hear your feelings.

Is Fear really that big of an issue in PvE? Considering all healers can dispel magic now, why does it matter...?

[Missclick]

pallys wont use bubble cuz it drops threat and dks wont have lichborne as it is in the frost tree where as sub speccing into unholy is better than frost at the moment.

[Optimist]

pallys wont use bubble cuz it drops threat and dks wont have lichborne as it is in the frost tree where as sub speccing into unholy is better than frost at the moment.

This. It's clearly a PvP nerf, but I don't see it being a big issue in PvE. Most fears can be easily dispelled. If you are in a fight where it can't, try looking to get a priest for fear ward or shammy for tremor totem.

[Kagonos]

It may not be the end of the world, but Haspekoo has a point... Why would they remove OUR fear immunity while leaving it available for warriors? I regularly use berserk to trivialize fears at certain points of boss fights. If they separate berserk from the fear immunity, but still leave it available to us in some diminished form, I would be completely OK with it, but there's no reason to take fear immunity away from bears when they aren't removing the mechanic entirely. I feel this is yet another over reaction to the performance of ferals in PVP. We are having bleeds nerfed AND fear immunity removed entirely? That's a bit much. OK, bleeds are crazy good in PVP, I get that. Couldn't it just be as simple as a major glyph or even just a base mechanic where berserk grants immunity to fear for 5 seconds upon activation rather than the duration of berserk? UGH!

Edit: Also, if the intent was to say "we are removing fear immunity from all classes but it since it can be dispelled, don't worry!" then that's fine. But that's not the case. It IS important to note that the official post said these are not final changes, so threads like this (and on Blizzard's official forums) may yet affect the final outcome (yeah, right!)

[Shinshiva]

we don't NEED the no-fear ability in bear form. It is USEFUL in a couple of situations. It's not going to gimp us, we're not going to be bad, we're not going to be worse off without it. It just is going to be that way because of PvP.

[ManiaCCC]

It may not be the end of the world, but Haspekoo has a point... Why would they remove OUR fear immunity while leaving it available for warriors?

Because warriors are not druids and have very different abilities

Again, they didn't said fear immunity is bad for druids...they said that fear immunity with polymorph immunity + CC breakers is probably too much..so they will probably remove one of these...and it will be probably fear immunity from the ability. you should get a point..

[Pfeff]

It may not be the end of the world, but Haspekoo has a point... Why would they remove OUR fear immunity while leaving it available for warriors?

Can Warriors be sheeped, hexed, etc? There's your answer

[Tahapenes]

pallys wont use bubble cuz it drops threat and dks wont have lichborne as it is in the frost tree where as sub speccing into unholy is better than frost at the moment.

Bubble drops threat for as long as the bubble is up (your threat does not change), so most Pally tanks have a cancelaura macro'd into their bubble button specifically so they can break fear and get back into the fight.

Untrue. Going for Lichbourne is about survival, which right now, until gear gets much better, is not a bad thing for DK tanks.

[coldbear]

I don't see this as an issue in PVE - other tanks don't have massive problems with fear afaik. It *is* a huge boost to warlocks and priests.

[Cernunnos]

pallys wont use bubble cuz it drops threat and dks wont have lichborne as it is in the frost tree where as sub speccing into unholy is better than frost at the moment.

DKs can spec into lichborne, then use it and target themeselves them use death coil and heal themselves.

However lichborne still doesn't remove fear. It only stops you being feared while it is up.

[eternalwhitemoon]

I can only think of 1 or 2 bosses ever where fear was a legitimate issue for tanks. (Onyxia of course, and Auriaya--but I don't remember if Auriaya feared her tank, or if her tank was immune.) Regardless, it's very minute in the grand scheme of raiding. I don't think PVE bear will become devalued because of this at all.

[Doonie]

It may not be the end of the world, but Haspekoo has a point... Why would they remove OUR fear immunity while leaving it available for warriors? I regularly use berserk to trivialize fears at certain points of boss fights. If they separate berserk from the fear immunity, but still leave it available to us in some diminished form, I would be completely OK with it, but there's no reason to take fear immunity away from bears when they aren't removing the mechanic entirely. I feel this is yet another over reaction to the performance of ferals in PVP. We are having bleeds nerfed AND fear immunity removed entirely? That's a bit much. OK, bleeds are crazy good in PVP, I get that. Couldn't it just be as simple as a major glyph or even just a base mechanic where berserk grants immunity to fear for 5 seconds upon activation rather than the duration of berserk? UGH!

Edit: Also, if the intent was to say "we are removing fear immunity from all classes but it since it can be dispelled, don't worry!" then that's fine. But that's not the case. It IS important to note that the official post said these are not final changes, so threads like this (and on Blizzard's official forums) may yet affect the final outcome (yeah, right!)

You couldn't be more OFF the ball. you can't polymorph a kitty, and doesn't snare get removed when you switch forms?

Warriors get their asses kicked by mages because we get snared constantly and poly'd in arena.

Please, stop comparing yourself to another class and just realize you're OP.

[Shamygandof]

This is a very very small inconvenience to pve-ers and a monster step in the right direction for pvp-ers. Feral druids are currently darn near unstoppable once they set there sites on zerging you.

[Belloc]

pallys wont use bubble cuz it drops threat and dks wont have lichborne as it is in the frost tree where as sub speccing into unholy is better than frost at the moment.

Bubble is a temporary threat wipe. If you have a /cancelaura macro, you sometimes don't even have that effect. Every decent paladin tank uses a bubble-cancel in many situations.

[Cernunnos]

I can only think of 1 or 2 bosses ever where fear was a legitimate issue for tanks. (Onyxia of course, and Auriaya--but I don't remember if Auriaya feared her tank, or if her tank was immune.) Regardless, it's very minute in the grand scheme of raiding. I don't think PVE bear will become devalued because of this at all.

Auriya feared the entire raid, even tanks.

[Shamygandof]

Fear is actually a HUGE pain in the ass for Ferals in arena. Totally removing the immunity from Berserk is probably overkill tbh.

Yeah, actually having to worry about cc is so unfair, lol.

[Balduvian]

I like how people usually say "lol you can't fear a feral druid" but Fear is actually a HUGE pain in the ass for Ferals in arena. Totally removing the immunity from Berserk is probably going to be overkill.

That combined with the nerf to bleed damage and buff(?) to physical damage kinda makes me sad. It looks promising and all but these things usually turn out to be a HUGE nerf and I honestly think Ferals will be back on the bottom again. It's to early to tell, but looking at the patchnotes I really feel like it's going to be overkill.

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Yeah, actually having to worry about cc is so unfair, lol.

That's not the point. Ferals are probably more susceptible to Fear than any other class, even with Berserk.

[Shamygandof]

I like how people usually say "lol you can't fear a feral druid" but Fear is actually a HUGE pain in the ass for Ferals in arena. Totally removing the immunity from Berserk is probably going to be overkill.

That combined with the nerf to bleed damage and buff(?) to physical damage kinda makes me sad. It looks promising and all but these things usually turn out to be a HUGE nerf and I honestly think Ferals will be back on the bottom again. It's to early to tell, but looking at the patchnotes I really feel like it's going to be overkill.

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That's not the point. Ferals are probably more susceptible to Fear than any other class, even with Berserk.

Coming from someone who can get feared, polymorphed, hexed, cycloned, etc etc, you gets no sympathy.

[Deleted]

I like how people usually say "lol you can't fear a feral druid" but Fear is actually a HUGE pain in the ass for Ferals in arena. Totally removing the immunity from Berserk is probably going to be overkill.

That combined with the nerf to bleed damage and buff(?) to physical damage kinda makes me sad. It looks promising and all but these things usually turn out to be a HUGE nerf and I honestly think Ferals will be back on the bottom again. It's to early to tell, but looking at the patchnotes I really feel like it's going to be overkill.

Yeah, its ironic. Feral bleeds are totally over the top, meaning that as long as a feral gets in their opening attacks, they can basically walk away (especially on low resilience targets) or be kited or be feared and it really doesn't make much of a difference to the damage that will be done on the target since Bleed is undispellable therefore the dot has its full uptime. This is especially frustrating for non-paladins and non-mages.

Yet now Blizzard say they are going to nerf Feral bleeds by shifting damage away from them and into direct attacks instead. However, that's precisely when having at least some Fear immunity/break would be most useful because you now have lower uptime on the target.

It's basically changing two variables at once - or a double whammy to ferals.

I'm no feral fan at all (I stated many times they were OP since patch 4.0), but do they really have conclusive independent data sets to justify both changes?

To be perfectly honest, I'd rather they sort out feral bleeds as they say they will then at LEAST make it so ferals are affected as badly as all other melee by a weapon disarm (i.e. unable to attack), but leave the Fear immunity alone. It's existed independently in the game for a long time. Why roll up changes to it with other changes? I'd be really fascinated to see the data or even decent anecdotal evidence for the need of the change to Berserk Fear immunity, preferably independently of feral bleed damage.