Retired Mounts

[High King Argorothiis]

now this is a post i originally put on the official wow forums and got back some pretty interesting comments and thought i should put here on mmo and see what everyone thought


so i was surfing the web not long ago and came across something i didnt like i have picked up the habit of mount collecting and one mount i wanted in particular i found out since cata's pre patch is no longer available and os i decided to proceed to check out all the unavailable mounts and was a bit annoyed for some of the best mounts are no longer available after checking on several websites i have been able to devise a list of what is apparently retired mounts :

Crusader's White Warhorse , Crusader's Black Warhorse , Swift Alliance Steed , Swift Horde Wolf , Brewfest Ram , Swift Zhevra , Swift Zulian Tiger , Swift Razzashi Raptor , Black Qiraji Battle Tank , Amani War Bear , Black Proto-Drake , Plagued Proto-Drake , Brutal Nether Drake , Merciless Nether Drake , Swift Nether Drake , Vengeful Nether Drake , Deadly Gladiator's Frostwyrm , Furious Gladiator's Frostwyrm , Relentless Gladiator's Frostwyrm , Palomino , White Stallion , Ancient Frostsaber , Nightsaber , Black Ram , Frost Ram , Icy Blue Mechanostrider Mod A , White Mechanostrider Mod B , Arctic Wolf , Red Wolf , Green Kodo , Teal Kodo , Ivory Raptor , Mottled Red Raptor


some of these mounts as i said before were some of the best mounts the game has ever had and it is a shame that they are no longer available recently i was talking to my uncle who is also a fellow wow player about an idea i had a way for people to once again get the retired mounts they want but cant due to the fact their unavailable last year we saw blizzard open the doors to a new era in the blizz shop by putting up the first ever bought mount the celestial steed and while talking to my uncle i cam up with the thought of how cool it would be if blizzard where to seel all or some of the now retired mounts so people including me can get some of these desirable mounts my thought is if their willing to pay then why not

now i am not saying that they should put them all up for sale but perhaps give people another chance to obtain them in game some how or sell them at blizz shop (another really cool mount idea would be for people to be able to purchase a fully custamizable mount flying or land and alter to their liking i am sure that would craete some pretty unique mounts)
the pvp mounts i understand why they are no longer availiable or some of the classic mounts but the raid ones like my personal fav the zg tiger i have always wanted to get one and now i am high enough lvl to get one they are no longer available just a few thoughts

but now my question goes out to the people who would have the most to say about this what does my fellow wow gamers think yay or nay for a chance to get some of the now retired mounts or my bracetted comment.

[Badpaladin]

No. I'm not about to see people riding around on Amani War Bears. It's my all-time favorite and I earned it in Kara gear the way it should have been earned. I'm sure other people feel the same about other mounts. Also, moving to General Discussions.

[chunkycarl]

While i somewhat agree with you, it can still be anoying sometimes. i spent a loong time farming Amarni warbear, with them constently bringing in other people a week (getting "the" same 10 was seemingly impossiable) and to cut a long story short, after months of farming the 4 down i was unable to win the roll., having someone who had been once or twice coming in and snatching it, and ofc as soon as the people who had it could they'd find a way to stop going to the raid.
With Togc, it was more gettin guildies to go. i mean we had about 14+ mounts in the guild but less and less people wanted to go, i offered to pay em at 1 point. Yes at this point u could say i could have pugged or paid people from other guilds, but as much as i did want the mount, i still prefer to do things with guildies :P
so personally id say they should give oppertunity for thee mounts to drop, But to simply make them much lower drops (IE give ZA a 1% chanse) Nowerdays at 85 i wouldnt say 2 manning ZA would be too hard, so its an oppertunity for people to use that lockout at a very low shot at what is a fantastic mount.

[DSalCoda]

Well, the PvP season drakes are a no-go, and I don't think I really need to explain why. The Brewfest mounts (and any holiday mounts for that matter) are tied to their respective holiday achievements, so they're still available. Some of those like the Amani War Bear represent a certain amount of dedication, and it would be a complete slap in the face to anyone who has one if Blizz just made them readily available for a nominal fee.

Besides, there are still enough mounts currently ingame to use that I don't think it would be necessary to bring any back from the past, especially since they only keep adding to the list.

[Deleted]

A bad idea. People are already looking down to those who buy the "shiny-sparkly-celestial" mount for RL cash. Making those mounts you listed available for RL cash makes me shiver... Oh the crying and ranting....

The point of the, how you call them "retired mounts", is that you can see who has done certain things and achievements. It would be completely against the idea of giving mounts as achievements to those who really dedicate their time to learn themselves the skills to get the mounts.

I for example haven't got any raiding achievement mounts and as I much as I would like to have them, I accept the fact that I don't really deserve any of them since I haven't done anything.

All this really comes down to fairness among the community. Imo it is completely fair that those who didn't do things on time or tried but hadn't the skill for it, should not really have a chance to get the mounts.

[Sensei_Sin]

Sell the old mounts, no.

Add an option to customize your own mount, yes.

[Bloodpyre]

No. I'm not about to see people riding around on Amani War Bears. It's my all-time favorite and I earned it in Kara gear the way it should have been earned. I'm sure other people feel the same about other mounts. Also, moving to General Discussions.

I would absolutely LOVE to have an Amani War Bear, alas I didn't start playing official till WoTLK. But I completely agree with you, you earned it, and I wouldn't want ppl being able to buy it either. It's my loss for not being around while it was available.

[Zabad]

No. I'm not about to see people riding around on Amani War Bears. It's my all-time favorite and I earned it in Kara gear the way it should have been earned. I'm sure other people feel the same about other mounts. Also, moving to General Discussions.

But what of those who spent just as much time on that raid and missed out because of poor RNG? For example a friend and I missed out because we rolled lower than everyone else more than 25 times in a row for that mount, I think all mounts should at least there should be a small drop chance, even if so incredibly small as .1% Simply to give those willing to farm for it the chance to get it.

[Bloodpyre]

A bad idea. People are already looking down to those who buy the "shiny-sparkly-celestial" mount for RL cash.

I think that has more to do with the actual mount, than the act of buying a mount on the Blizz store =P

[Deleted]

Not that I bother about it much, but I also used to raid ZA when it was patched in, never got the mount dropped for me though.. So in a way you are right, but where did you earn it where I didnt?

[SilverHeimdall]

But what of those who spent just as much time on that raid and missed out because of poor RNG? For example a friend and I missed out because we rolled lower than everyone else more than 25 times in a row for that mount, I think all mounts should at least there should be a small drop chance, even if so incredibly small as .1% Simply to give those willing to farm for it the chance to get it.

I like that your solution to poor RNG is poor RNG.

You want .1% chance for the amani war bear because you failed every 4% chances you had.

[Deleted]

No. I'm not about to see people riding around on Amani War Bears. It's my all-time favorite and I earned it in Kara gear the way it should have been earned. I'm sure other people feel the same about other mounts. Also, moving to General Discussions.

I totally agree. What's the point in showing off the mount you've worked your ass off to obtain if anyone can go purchase it once it becomes rare?

[Shreker]

Not that I bother about it much, but I also used to raid ZA when it was patched in, never got the mount dropped for me though.. So in a way you are right, but where did you earn it where I didnt?

Because most of the people that say they earned it ran ZA 10+ times to get everyone a mount. If you did this and don't have the mount, that is your own fault along with the fault of whoever was distributing them. Not everyome that runs ZA deserves the mount.

[Deleted]

Customizing own mount? seems pretty good! But wasnt that an idea Blizzard was thinking of in Cata?

[Bloodpyre]

Not that I bother about it much, but I also used to raid ZA when it was patched in, never got the mount dropped for me though.. So in a way you are right, but where did you earn it where I didnt?

When I heard it was being removed a druid friend and I went in on every reset for 3months, it dropped once, and I was forced to let him have it, as he gave me the Raven Lord on the 1st drop, and I was happy to do so, but now I'm quite unhappy as the Raven Lord is now being trivialised(I believe its now possible to farm it without a druid.)

Anyways, RNG didn't let me have the mount, too bad. And I might even agree that low drop based mounts could be sold, but mounts in the class of the amani war bear, where a timed event and the skill of your group decided whether or not you would be able to roll for that mount should absolutely not be made for sale, they did what they needed to do to obtain those mounts, if you weren't there to do the same, too bad.

And sure there are cases like Hallufauz who worked his ass off and never got it, I might feel the same way as he did if it were me. But unfortunately the bad luck of one person can't be the basis for making something super rare, common.

[Luphy]

Sell the old mounts, no.

Add an option to customize your own mount, yes.

I don't see this ever happening. It would be quite nice, putting armor plates over my drakes or something but it probably won't happen.

[Deleted]

If I would have gotten the Amani War bear, I would probably be using it still as my ground mount. However, I would have been rather sad if it suddenly became available to buy for money. It wouldn't just feel right.

In the long list of non-available mounts, the only two I would care about that Blizz brought back would be the Ivory Raptor and Mottled Red Raptor. The first one beeing one of the nicest ones in WoW imo. And that one was removed from the game due to nicer (?) armor on the epic mounts way back in vanilla (correct me if I'm wrong). Since i only play horde, I don't know about the ally versions. I was really envious of the trolls you rallied in Razor Hill for Zalazane's Fall who had their Ivory Raptors to ride - nice slap in the face Blizz!

Other than those mounts, I would love to see Blizz making the Bloodtalon Thrasher available as a mount to obtain.

[hvidgaard]

When I heard it was being removed a druid friend and I went in on every reset for 3months, it dropped once, and I was forced to let him have it, as he gave me the Raven Lord on the 1st drop, and I was happy to do so, but now I'm quite unhappy as the Raven Lord is now being trivialised(I believe its now possible to farm it without a druid.)

Anyways, RNG didn't let me have the mount, too bad. And I might even agree that low drop based mounts could be sold, but mounts in the class of the amani war bear, where a timed event and the skill of your group decided whether or not you would be able to roll for that mount should absolutely not be made for sale, they did what they needed to do to obtain those mounts, if you weren't there to do the same, too bad.

And sure there are cases like Hallufauz who worked his ass off and never got it, I might feel the same way as he did if it were me. But unfortunately the bad luck of one person can't be the basis for making something super rare, common.

I don't quite understand your post. Are you saying that you went in every reset for 3 months (21 to 24 times, can't remember if it was 3 or 4 day reset) with a 10-man raid and it only dropped once? You where either in undergeared raids or they plain sucked, because it was a guaranteed drop if you finished before the timed event was over.

On another note, people need to stop mourning over what's no longer in the game. If you worked your ass off for something and didn't get it, though luck - move on, it's a good character quality to be able to do that. I wonder if people will start asking for the "old WoW world" to be restored on a special server.

[Deleted]

There are precious few mounts in game I'd love to have - the biggest being the AQ Battletank. Sadly hadn't even started playing the game at that point

But still, no. Let sleeping dogs lie. The people who have these unobtainable mounts worked their asses off for them, let them enjoy them. It's less a case of mount collecting, it's more a case of saying "I worked hard, this is my reward that isn't outdated next patch". Let them enjoy it.

[Shreker]

The Brewfest mounts (and any holiday mounts for that matter) are tied to their respective holiday achievements, so they're still available.

The brewfest ram listed there is the 60 percent one which you could only get in 08 or before I believe