Transmutation Masters keeping procs?

[Hetrofi]

Just got a proc giving me 3 truegolds. The guy did not say Lf transmute mastery, and i also stated that i kept procs, however i let him have the fee back =D

[Dvaldin]

Alchemists need to check the AH price before burning their cooldown. On my server, truegold's selling generally for 1200 G. Burning MY cooldown for someone else for a meager price of 200 G results in a net loss of roughly 800 G or so if I buy the mats from the AH to do the transmute myself.

Bottom line: A 200 G tip to burn truegold at current AH prices is too low even for just one. You want the procs too and have the gall to call ME greedy for wanting to keep them? Give me a break. Alchemists needs to check prices and charge accordingly before burning their cooldown.

[Deleted]

Ok ok. No problem i know you gave so much work into clicking transmute on same amount of mats. I get it its once a day, you lvl the alchemy to give service around your entilted to everything more as 1 product. Are you serious?

Im going to bitch to blizzard for enchanters to have to check if they want their DE skill to work in group. Either pay me 500 gold in start of expansion or sell the loot for 30 gold to vendor. Because you see i put in so much effort into lvling enchanting.

Also dont complain when someoen makes you tailoring epic. One dreamcloth has a week long cooldown. So if your one day is 500 gold with procs im gonan be generous and im going to say 100 per dreamcloth per day of cd so that 7 times 100 thats 700 gold for one dreamcloth. For the belt your mats 2800 gold tip, for pants? Add another 1400. Sounds fair? You see i lvled my tailoring so i can provide the service as well.

Yes im saying dont be greedy. You dont have anything to do with how many procs you get. There is no skill no nothing just pure luck. If buyer who tipped you wouldnt give you the mats you would not proc. If he gave you mats then oppurtunity arose that you might get proc from his mats. Maybe he brought his lucky mats :P Anyway if you can make something doesnt mean you can take whatever you wish. Ask beforehand if customer is genorous and agrees on your terms its a win win for both but youll not get me with his kind of logic.

Regarding the contruction example... its in the contract. If the price was set and constructor paid for materials with his own money ofc hell keep the rest. But if im gonna change my fasade on my house and i buy material beforehand, there is no way in hell that guy is going to see leftover materials. No matter what kind of proc's he makes on my fasade

You honestly can't compare those things.
People chose their spec based on preference, the guild might need it, or because they chose to make a penny.
The extra gain is an average of 15 to 20% in one discipline, which is something you deliberately pick.

Should someone want to make use of that gain, you either pay for it, or you don't. If you look for someone that has the spec you need... well:
If you want to get service from the 'better' transmuter, you pay for it. If you want your house built by the guy that'll build it better, you're likely going to have to pay more, too. ( at least, if you want to be working legal, that is )

Call it greed, if you must... I can call it the same of the people that want my service for free, or haggle. I don't haggle. If you don't accept my conditions, I'm sure you can find someone that will give you what you want faster, than convincing me of being wrong
In the end: I craft the items with mats I buy or farm, sell them individually, trying to use the abilities I have to the best extend possible. Just because I only have 8k on my name, and just because Some people can be so incredibly cheap.
I'd be mad to throw away the bit of tradeskill allowing me to make a marginal profit
Don't think that transmute masters all of a sudden are ripping the non-alchemsists a new one.

If I find a friendly mage for a portal, I also tip 30g.
If I see someone shouting free highlevel enchants because he needs to level his enchanting, I'll also provide him the idea to buy parchments from a scribe & sell his enchants instead. etc etc...


TL;DR?
You want your construction to be done "better" than average? You'll need to pay more than average, too.
You are right regarding the contratcs, though - something people don't pay enough attention to.

/ww out

[saberon]

Do people realise that Transmute Truegold not only has a 24 hour CD, but that it SHARES that CD with some other transmutes, too?

You wanna compare it to Enchanting? Imagine you could only create one enchant a day.
Would you still be happy with a 20g tip?

[Deafyx]

ROFL.

You guys should have seen then argument in Trade Chat on Nerz Alliance Side just yesterday. Boy o Boy.

My thing is, person providing the mats should be given the procs. We are supplying the mats AND paying for your service! Besides, your procs or service wouldn't be there if we didn't supply the mats. If you are a Transmute Master, and selling your CD, you either:

1) Dont have the mats and dont want to buy the mats

2) You are too lazy to farm the mats or dont have the professions to farm the mats.

[pakalolo]

i've seen people specifically stating in trade that they're selling their xmute for X amount of gold and they keep all procs. its kinda bs imo.

[Kikazz]

i say the alchy keeps the procs but if you are asking for the procs and they happen you will have to pay extra cant expect to get the procs for free.

[Mavecryst]

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My thing is, person providing the mats should be given the procs. We are supplying the mats AND paying for your service! Besides, your procs or service wouldn't be there if we didn't supply the mats. If you are a Transmute Master, and selling your CD, you either

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Correct you are paying for my service, which is giving me x stuff so I can make you y stuff. You are not paying for extra Y stuff so why should you get it? Sure the service wouldn't be there without your mats but hey, I don't need YOUR mats, plenty other people out there with them or I can make my own with my miner if I'm not feeling lazy. I am doing you a favour wasting my 24 hour cd on you, because you couldn't be bothered to level alchemy yourself and make it a transmutation mastery. Your tip for y stuff merely covers that favor; it does not entitle you to my luck. You want my luck thrown into the bargain, pay me for it.

And enchanters, stop bitching about your profession being able to be used by others in LFG. I'm an enchanter myself on one of my primary toons, and never understood why anyone would feel shafted by this. You were not going to win all the greens in an instance anyway. And it stopped the morons needing on every green for mats. Additionally, previously you could take your greens, pass it to an enchanter for DE anyway. They just removed that extra step. Like someone else above said, how about you try only being able to do a DE once a day. Or nvm let's be generous and say you can only do a DE of one equip slot type a day, so you can DE more than one wrist per day for example. If that happened yea sure, go ahead and compare it to this.

[SevenGirl]

i keep all procs; afterall, it's my specialty in my profession

[Deleted]

My thing is, person providing the mats should be given the procs. We are supplying the mats AND paying for your service! Besides, your procs or service wouldn't be there if we didn't supply the mats. If you are a Transmute Master, and selling your CD, you either:

1) Dont have the mats and dont want to buy the mats

2) You are too lazy to farm the mats or dont have the professions to farm the mats.

My thing is: The CD itself is really valuable. Even if I just use it to transmute my tons of Volatile Life into Air, I make a LOT more than selling it to a random stranger and being paid a tip. I also have mats for a couple of Truegold transmutes on my bank, which can produce even more money. And that's before procs come into play. Therefore, I will use my CD for myself unless I'm being paid, and not tipped.
Also, regarding procs: Procs are not that common, and if I use my CD for you and would be willing to give you the procs, I would miss that opportunity for myself. You CAN have the procs if you want, but you sure as hell going to pay for them. You will get a large discount from the currently lowest auction house price, as it was your mats all along, but you are going to pay. If not, they're mine. I will however state that upfront, so if anybody has a problem with that, they can search for another alchemist who doesn't value his few gold making opportunites.

During BC and LK I have had another system, where I accepted a small tip and kept one of each proc, no matter how large the proc was. But with the current prices for the transmuted materials, that system is off the table. I have the mats for a lot of transmutes, I can farm them myself if I have to, so I will use the CD for myself unless someone pays me instead of tipping me for the thing I do.

Guildies / friends and non-CD transmutes like the rare gems oder the Metas are a completely different game, if you are a guildie / friend you will get my CD and all procs it produces for free, if you want to transmute something without a CD I will accept a tip and you get anything I produce.

[rubyloc]

I usually just trade people back Truegold or Shadowspirit Diamonds for the respective mats right off the bat as I carry loads already, I'm keeping procs, thanks

[UnknownSoldier]

As far as I (and the GM's) are concerned, if you do not explicitly state that you're paying for a transmutation master, then the alchemist can keep the extra procs because you've only agreed to x amount of the product.

But yes as has been mentioned, the best method for the alchemist is to simply trade the finished product for the mats and then go transmute after the transaction.

[Daws001]

I think Alchemists need to state before hand that they're keeping any procs. It's just shady otherwise (stealing imo). I don't have anything against Alchemists wanting to keep their procs, just make sure the other person knows how you operate. From what I've seen in trade, those Alchemists aren't getting much business (they are getting an ear full though).

[Abandon]

I think Alchemists need to state before hand that they're keeping any procs. It's just shady otherwise (stealing imo). I don't have anything against Alchemists wanting to keep their procs, just make sure the other person knows how you operate. From what I've seen in trade, those Alchemists aren't getting much business (they are getting an ear full though).

Actually, you should state beforehand that you want the procs, it's not their responsibility to do this for you if you are the one worried about not getting what is "fair". And how is it stealing for them to give you exactly what you paid them for?

[Krimson]

I think Alchemists need to state before hand that they're keeping any procs. It's just shady otherwise (stealing imo). I don't have anything against Alchemists wanting to keep their procs, just make sure the other person knows how you operate. From what I've seen in trade, those Alchemists aren't getting much business (they are getting an ear full though).

No, you need to state that you are expecting procs for your fee before the transaction takes place. Look at the results of this poll. If you believe you are entitled to procs, you are in the minority, so buyer beware. Not only that, the risk is on the buyer as the mats and the results will be in the alchemists bag. State what you are expecting from the exchange before it takes place.

[nampal]

The poll sucks, because both of them are right.

Solution is simple, ask first before doing anything, if you don't ask first, then it is 50/50, it's as simple as that.

In my server, in fact many xmute specialist willing to do it for free, they traded me the mats for a bar. They lose 200g but they got a chance to make 1000g.

So this is how to put on Trade chanel:

WTB Truegold CD xmute master for 200g (I keep the proc) or free (you keep the proc). Don't like it? Don't do it. At least I'm very clear and upfront at the beginning.