Remove all addons

[Fog]

I've just taken a look at that UI. And I actually liked it. I liked how you setup the keybindings (which should only matter in a UI demand in the first place). I don't see anything wrong here.

EDIT

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16123728/Pic...10_041629C.jpg
<3 LUI

I use that UI aswell! Awesome piece of work. And as stated; not needed. I just like a nice looking UI.

[Paulosio]

DBM is a must have? All it does is reiterate things that the boss emotes, and really damn annoying at that. Threat meter is built into the game so there goes omen. Damage meters like Skada etc good to see if your doing decent dps, but still optional. I can see what this guy means, in wotlk I was watching add ons and not the game so much. This became obvious at points where DBM malfunctioned in some way and reacted improperly just because I had become so dependent on its alerts when if Id just been watching the game there would be no trouble. Ive often mentioned, what is the use in a tense fight situation of an add on screaming at you and making alarming BZZZZONK! noises. It doesnt really help you to keep a clear head which is more important imo. DBM is just an excuse to not learn the fight mechanics.

DBM is a must have tbh. I'd love to see people do things like LK hard mode or alone in the darkness without it when they were at the correct level and tier of raiding. For easier stuff ofc you don't need it.

[Tholl]

DBM is a must have? All it does is reiterate things that the boss emotes, and really damn annoying at that. Threat meter is built into the game so there goes omen. Damage meters like Skada etc good to see if your doing decent dps, but still optional. I can see what this guy means, in wotlk I was watching add ons and not the game so much. This became obvious at points where DBM malfunctioned in some way and reacted improperly just because I had become so dependent on its alerts when if Id just been watching the game there would be no trouble. Ive often mentioned, what is the use in a tense fight situation of an add on screaming at you and making alarming BZZZZONK! noises. It doesnt really help you to keep a clear head which is more important imo. DBM is just an excuse to not learn the fight mechanics.

This sums it up perfectly. Blizzard has made it so that you actually do not NEED any addons. We can watch threat, tell when a boss is doing a big attack, etc. (The only thing they do not cover is DPS).

The ONLY thing that DBM really does now that Blizzard does not with its own UI is give you timers so you know how far out you are on that large attack. (Usefull, but not game breaking for a DPS).

I have tanked and done dps since the game came out and as soon as Cata launched I decided to get rid of all my addons and run pure. I am LOVING it. I don't die from stupid stuff, and I know what to avoid.

A crutch is a crutch IMO.

[Fleetfox]

DBM is a must have? All it does is reiterate things that the boss emotes, and really damn annoying at that. Threat meter is built into the game so there goes omen. Damage meters like Skada etc god to see if your doing decent dps, but still optional. I can see what this guy means, in wotlk I was watching add ons and not the game so much. This became obvious at points where DBM malfunctioned in some way and reacted improperly just because I had become so dependent on its alerts when if Id just been watching the game there would be no trouble. Ive often mentioned, what is the use in a tense fight situation of an add on screaming at you and making alarming BZZZZONK! noises. It doesnt really help you to keep a clear head which is more important imo. DBM is just an excuse to not learn the fight mechanics.

It's not about parroting what the boss says... It's about preparing for what the boss is about to do. Nobody needs an addon telling them they are currently taking 20k a tick damage, but it certainly helps to know when a bosses cooldown of said ability is about to go off so you can prepare (top people off etc...).

[Sardonic]

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Here is one of my UI

Addons used: Recount, Omen, and Deadly Boss
Edit: I just recently downloaded these addons, concidering all my declines, I just can't get myself to get one changing my UI. It'd kill my experience tbh

There is nothing wrong with your UI. It's the default UI and it works, plus -- based on your Hotkeys -- it shows you understand the concepts of focus and focus assisting/targeting, so I'm not sure what more is needed for a dps player.

I personally use Thunder UI because I find it gives me the absolute best use of screen space for my display size (1280 x 1024), but that's purely a personal preference, and mostly an ascetic one. If a big patch came out tomorrow and made my UI not work I would go back to default and not drop a beat.

Personally, the only thing I dislike about the default UI is:
1. Stance bar is forced, cannot be turned off without an addon
2. Minimap can no longer be collapsed (there was a time when it could be, why did they remove this functionality?)
3. Action bars can't be moved, so you waste space (like in your UI, there is enough room to put the chat to the left of the action bars, and then move the action bars to flush-right, but the default UI doesn't allow this).

But, again, these are all style things and have zero effect on your in-game performance. While I do find that a wide-open screen helps me better "see" the game, I doubt it has much real effect on how well I play.

The people turning you down for your UI are just plain silly, imho.

[fex]

Any guild that denies your application because your interface is "too clean" is not a guild you want to be a part of, anyway.

Addons are an incredible tool, and being a programmer (and a healer) myself, I love customizing and tinkering with every little widget until I have everything working exactly the way I want it. But I know that some people prefer the simplicity of the default interface, and I have absolutely no problem with that, as long as you can still get the job done.

[Nexxia]

Yea neglected to mention I also use tuk ui which is a comp add on containing most REALLY NEEDED infos or reg infos just made more convienient. Its even cleaner than blizz UI.

http://www.tukui.org/

Theres add ons like filger for tracking dots or w/e, great UI imo.

[Deleted]

I'll try and put myself in their position, empty ui, no addons to enhance anything, BUT a damage meter. sure it can work for you, your ui has everything spread, unitframes topleft, actiobars bottom etc, so you have to keep changing your pov, unitframes, is my debuffs up, how long left, is my rage right, back to abilities to see if stuff is off CD etc, I mean you don't have to download pitbull etc, moveanything could move your unitframes near the center without changing their looks which means you don't have to alternate your pov from the topleft corner to the bottom

just my 2 cents.

[Merendel]

Omen? Pfft. Enable threat above the nameplates. It even measures %.

on the other hand seeing that nameplate can be rough on a very large boss depending on the room layout. Zooming out to see it works as long as there is not a wall behind you for it to colide with. the default one also only shows you threat vs tank, sometimes you want to make sure you dont pull ahead of the OT as well or need to know if your next highest on threat.

OP I wouldn't have a problem with your UI. Sparser than mine but you have the required bases covered. A boss mod of some kind and Omen are really all that most raiding guilds require. Mine requires a specific mod for handling loot but thats mostly to speed things up after the boss is dead and does not even clutter your screen any time other than when loot is being passed out. we used to require some variant of decursive (any click to cast decurse addon or combo was accepted) but the need and ability for DPS to help out with that chore has droped a bit in cata and healers are already paying attention to it.

[Fog]

on the other hand seeing that nameplate can be rough on a very large boss depending on the room layout. Zooming out to see it works as long as there is not a wall behind you for it to colide with. the default one also only shows you threat vs tank, sometimes you want to make sure you dont pull ahead of the OT as well.

I meant of course the avatar, or whatever you wanna call it (English is not my motherlanguage). The nameplate itself may be abit hard to get a hold on, since many simply press CTRL+V to not clutter the screen.
As to the OT situation. Just keep yourself under 70%. That should fix that bit.

[Xenion]

Get over yourself, if you're raiding without addons you're putting yourself at a disadvantage.
At least use the essential ones like DBM, OmniCC...etc.

Don't expect others to give up addons just because you don't want to use them.

[Nexxia]

It's not about parroting what the boss says... It's about preparing for what the boss is about to do. Nobody needs an addon telling them they are currently taking 20k a tick damage, but it certainly helps to know when a bosses cooldown of said ability is about to go off so you can prepare (top people off etc...).

But if you already know what the boss is going to do, or because theres a RW style emote SKRONKING at you thats built in in game. The timer countdown for abilities was a bit of a luxury, but if it were something needed to play in game, Im sure Blizz would add it.

---------- Post added 2011-01-04 at 06:59 PM ----------

There is a dbmesque function in game now. As mentioned sans timers. But you can mouse over boss abilities and see exactly what they do.

[kaelleria]

While the stock Blizzard UI has made a great many improvements since vanilla, there are still several things that are still crap. HoTs, DoTs and timers are still rather poor in comparison to many of the addons out there. The stock Blizzard UI does not allow for control movement (ie move your map to the bottom part of your screen) and generally the blizz bars are either too small or take up far too much screen real estate for my tastes.

[Swaggah]

I liked the discussions going on until Xenion blew it
Anyway, I look at many of the comments and sure, I can't argue with many of the statements there. But as people say, blizzard covers more and more areas and those I do happen to use. Usually because they don't take much space or none at all.

The one with my frames and bars being to far away, that used to be a problem during vanilla. Got slightly better throughout BC and now I don't see any problems with it. If I'm looking for a specific cd I know exactly where it's at, at all times. So just a microsecond look down and back up.
BUT, I could have avoided that microsecond by moving them closer together. That's a fact
I guess I just don't like new changes happen to a game I've played for years, and so far I've met no problems with these things that would cripple my dps, survival or any others survival.

[Nexxia]

Tuk UI or LUI are great for replacement of blizz default if you want more customization, and you can add hot and dot timers etc.

[njd.aitken]

Never going to happen.

[Nexxia]

Never going to happen.

Not sure what this means, but we used to play this game without add ons at all. So I guess if you mean playing without add ons isnt going to happen, it already did.

[Deleted]

in tbc some addons were needed for high end raids. ex: it was not possible to see your aggro till you finally pull aggro from the tank (thanks omen), but nowaways, you need zero addons. aggro is displayed by the blizzard interface.

raid standard ui is fine, and you can use it in party ; i don't use grid anymore as a healer + debuffs are easy to spot.

guild asking for addons ? fail.

Just listen to the enviro, it gives clues when to move ; you don't need stupid scripts to tell you when to move or stop casting. If you like to loose tons of memory & have tons of lua error to be able to put your buttons at random places, fine. But i don't see why someone would ask for that.

[PACOX]

on the other hand seeing that nameplate can be rough on a very large boss depending on the room layout. Zooming out to see it works as long as there is not a wall behind you for it to colide with. the default one also only shows you threat vs tank, sometimes you want to make sure you dont pull ahead of the OT as well or need to know if your next highest on threat.

He means the number that shows up above the bosses portrat, it ranges from 0-100% and changes from gray - yellow - orange - red as you begin to reach dangerous threat levels.


Omen - Not needed, just puts a number value to your threat. People raided in Vanilla fine without it.

Recount - Not needed, but a decent self evaluation tool. I can notice when stupid mistakes when I look at recount and notice my dps isn't in its usual range. Usually I forgot a spell or forgot an enchant or something.

DBM - Also not needed. A dps can definitely get away with not having it. The only thing I use it for are interrupts, debuffs, and to keep me awake with its chimes. I can interupt without fine without DBM, DBM is just slightly less strain on the easy. I can watch debuffs fine without DBM, DBM, I actual prefer to do it without DBM because DBM screams at you when it just as easy to look at your buffs/debuffs. 3 min on your 4th boss of the night and your favorite music in the background, you drift into a sort of trance. The annoyance of DBM wakes you up.

[Stevoman]

Are you a DPS warrior?

I'm guessing it's because you don't have anything to monitor Sunder Armor, and any even remotely serious guild would expect you to have something to monitor it and guarantee 100% uptime. It's pretty much the only job (besides stabbing stuff) that you have in a raid so the fact that you don't have an addon to keep track of that is quite worrying.