Healers ... And Magic Dispell

[Tyrilion]

Today i ran a few Hcs on my prot pally nothing big, in my first hc i noticed i often had magic debuffs up, i asked the healer why he didnt dispell them at to which point he replied and i quote...

"NOOOB pala, shammys cant dispell magic Tard"

I then / inspected him and Linked him the talent in Party chat [improved spirit cleasne]

he then proceeded to leave the group (im guessing out of pure shame)

Later On i ran another random Hc 2nd of the Day It was vortex pinnacle, Had an amazing preist healer all the way through until he had irl trouble and had to leave we then Joined queue and got a druud healer without him saying anything else but "pull noob" we moved on towards asaad

Before the boss i gave a few tacts as it was a warrs first time there.. "asaad uses an ability called static cling just before he uses unstable grounding field, this will be dispelled and as soon as it is run for the field as a saftey, dont leave it too late"

the druid does not say a word, i assumed he had it specced...

I pull we get to the first field and bam all except me (HoF) and the mage who blinked died, druid then asks "PALA WTF WHY DIDNT U CLEASE U ********" ( not sure on profanity rules)

I then explained only healer specced players can dispel magic, which he replied noobs to and left...

this isnt the only time ive been experiencing this, im sorta confused tbh

The reason For this long Ranty Post is, im trying to understand why a handful of healers Dont spec magic dispel, i thought it was the most common type of debuff used in cata, some bosses cant be completed without it.

so yeah... Share your expereinces and opinions too ... why do pople not spec Magice Dispel ???

/rant
/crazyninja

[taymatt]

Frankly, I think 99% of healers *do* spec for magic dispel. You just had bad luck with two crappy pugs.

[FrozenFlames]

They probably dont specc into it cause they dont know only healing speccs have it and thus demand other people ''to do the annoying job''.

[kaloryth]

Before the boss i gave a few tacts as it was a warrs first time there.. "asaad uses an ability called static cling just before he uses unstable grounding field, this will be dispelled and as soon as it is run for the field as a saftey, dont leave it too late"

I find this point in your rant slightly disturbing because if you jump while he's casting the static cling you don't even get it all and no one needs to dispel it for you! As in if the healer needs to dispel someone, you're doing it wrong.

The more you know?

[Tyrilion]

Frankly, I think 99% of healers *do* spec for magic dispel. You just had bad luck with two crappy pugs.

sadly it wasnt only those two guys after cata launch while leveling to 85 it has been quite common but at 85 i would have thought people would know by now

[Haté]

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[La]

I think any healer that does heroics should have the dispel magic, it's fucking stupid not to. And even raiding they should, it's not one classes sole responsibility to dispel anymore (IE paladins/priests).

but yeah, funny how the classes that never used to have a dispel magic, assume they don't have or need it...which like I said, you're a fucking idiot if you think that way.

[Caelia]

I find this point in your rant slightly disturbing because if you jump while he's casting the static cling you don't even get it all and no one needs to dispel it for you! As in if the healer needs to dispel someone, you're doing it wrong.

The more you know?

qft!
But not many people seem to know about this so just spread the word

[Nexxia]

Happens all the time, causes wipes, thats why I cant get over the "DPS are the bad ones" philosophy. Ive seen just as many tanks not interrupting, and healers not dispelling, etc. I mean jaw dropping stuff,like not interrupting first boss in HSFK. Durr, whats interrupt. Or tell a mage can spellsteal the bubble off the squid-head guy in ToT, tell them and they are like "Oh, really?". lol

[Orthodoxy]

Dispel is a vital talent for any actual healer to have, obviously. The debuffs on Asaad should have been dispelled, although they are avoidable.

It is important to emphasize to tanks and dps post-Cataclysm that dispel now costs a great deal of mana, and care has to be taken whether a debuff is "worth it" to dispel. I expect this idea will be further emphasized as raid content evolves, with encounters designed around healers choosing when and what debuffs to dispel relative to their regen.

[Brendanb]

I'm a holy paladin and the only time i DON"T dispell debuffs is either when

A.) It's not harmful (i.e. movement speed)
B.) It would be more efficient to heal through it (HL + HS would still cost less)
C.) low on mana and can't afford it

[Tokhar]

I've been dispelling as a matter of course, - curses, poison, and magic. taken from a healer's perspective, I find that I am generally the only one dispelling anything, even when there is a paladin, priest, mage, etc in the run. On any given run, it's usually about 50-60 dispels. While I am probably overdoing it, since it may be better to heal through rather than dispel some, I'm playing the better safe than sorry card. Dispels, however are expensive and cost a gcd, so on the very rare times someone helps, I thinak them.

More maddeningly, if I get someone in group who can cleanse disease, I'll ask them nicely to do so as possible during the run, since i can't, and a few of the diseases hit hard. Even if I try and poitely remind htem, it's very rare to get anyone helping out with diseases. So while yes, bad healers won't have figured out that only they can cleanse magic, your usual pug bads in general won't be helping out at all on other dispels, so I wouldn't single out healers specifically here.

[Ridesdel]

I've been dispelling as a matter of course, - curses, poison, and magic. taken from a healer's perspective, I find that I am generally the only one dispelling anything, even when there is a paladin, priest, mage, etc in the run. On any given run, it's usually about 50-60 dispels. While I am probably overdoing it, since it may be better to heal through rather than dispel some, I'm playing the better safe than sorry card. Dispels, however are expensive and cost a gcd, so on the very rare times someone helps, I thinak them.

More maddeningly, if I get someone in group who can cleanse disease, I'll ask them nicely to do so as possible during the run, since i can't, and a few of the diseases hit hard. Even if I try and poitely remind htem, it's very rare to get anyone helping out with diseases. So while yes, bad healers won't have figured out that only they can cleanse magic, your usual pug bads in general won't be helping out at all on other dispels, so I wouldn't single out healers specifically here.

i thought all healers could dispel magic, poison, and disease nowadays

[Xeorm]

i thought all healers could dispel magic, poison, and disease nowadays

No, each healing class only gets magic (with only priests having it baseline). They all get at least one other of poison, disease, or curse as well.

On topic, it is annoying when healers don't have the talent. Though I wouldn't exactly blame them, for some reason guides seem to suggest to not take the skill.

[Peta]

i thought all healers could dispel magic, poison, and disease nowadays

All healers can remove magics but the other two are dependant on yur class.

[Tyrilion]

Dispel is a vital talent for any actual healer to have, obviously. The debuffs on Asaad should have been dispelled, although they are avoidable.

It is important to emphasize to tanks and dps post-Cataclysm that dispel now costs a great deal of mana, and care has to be taken whether a debuff is "worth it" to dispel. I expect this idea will be further emphasized as raid content evolves, with encounters designed around healers choosing when and what debuffs to dispel relative to their regen.

I play Healer as well im perfectly aware the At 85 my cleanse costs 3279 mana and that it can be very consuming but i do all i can to help healers with mana consumption i have a rotation for my Cds and aoe HoTs ect

Whether im Playing on my druid either if i get hit by a poison or disease if a can dispell myself i will

theres not much more i can really do for them

[Fuzzzie]

I had it spec'd for heroics, but I since dropped it for mana reasons in 25s. Once those issues are under control I'll pick it up again. We literally have tonnes of people that dispel magic in our raid so it's not even an issue. I also spec balance for 5mans and the talent is deep resto for druids.

[Dakkamon]

I'm a main healer for my guild, and have experienced both a number of disappointments and a few wonderful pugs in this new system. However, with my Shaman skillset, I'm only able to remove curses and magic. Which can be a bit of a pain sometimes, but we spiritual leaders have gotten by. I have found that the bubble shield given off by some trash in Throne of the Tides to be irritating, stacking quickly and then practically undispellable; being forced to wait till it drops off it's target.

[Tokhar]

Sadly not. We can all talent for magic as resto/holy/disc. As standard, druids have decurse and poison. Shammies just have decurse, priests and paladins get poison and disease.

Shammies lost poinson and disease and gained decurse, so it's understandable a few are still abit confused, all the more so since it is no longer a totem but only cast (you could do either before 4.0)

[nalle]

Sadly not. We can all talent for magic as resto/holy/disc. As standard, druids have decurse and poison. Shammies just have decurse, priests and paladins get poison and disease.

Shammies lost poinson and disease and gained decurse, so it's understandable a few are still abit confused, all the more so since it is no longer a totem but only cast (you could do either before 4.0)

We didn't gain decurse in cata, we gained magic dispell.