Fire mage BiS

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Hi mmochamps,

i've been searching quite a bit, and now that i have started raiding i would like to know if anyone have found a fire mage bis list ilvl 359 without engineering, as the sticky count the googles =S.
or instead what should i get if it's not the googles

thank you all in advance

pd: i've been inspectng the sticky list, and i'm quite confused as why use the trinquet that add 1900 mastery intead one that add sp like the tol barad one? and why isn't volcanic card even on the list? =S

[Deleted]

It's the same as engi, only the head ist the sinestra head

[Radagur]

It's the same as engi, only the head ist the sindragosa head

confuses meh
do you mean the sinestra head?
but sinestra would be only available in hc?

[Deleted]

The head from Omintron is BiS until the one from Sinestra

[Tirsten]

and why isn't volcanic card even on the list? =S

Because the forum mod who wrote the sticky doesn't update it.

[Deleted]

Because the forum mod who wrote the sticky doesn't update it.

That's why i would like an up-to-date 359 BiS list if any of you have one =S

[Tirsten]

If you're not an engineer, I assume you just use the 359 list in the sticky, replace the helm with the power generator hood, and replace the mirror with the darkmoon card, and then fiddle with gems/reforging as necessary. Keep in mind that you'll almost certainly get some hardmode gear before perfecting a 359 set.

[Cebel]

If you're not an engineer, I assume you just use the 359 list in the sticky, replace the helm with the power generator hood, and replace the mirror with the darkmoon card, and then fiddle with gems/reforging as necessary. Keep in mind that you'll almost certainly get some hardmode gear before perfecting a 359 set.

where are you guys getting the math that the darkmoon card is better then the mirror?

[DirewolfX]

The variety of gear at the 359 level is so awful that it doesn't take much effort to give a rough BiS list:

Head: Power Generator Hood (ODS)
Neck: Wildhammer/Dragonmaw rep neck
Shoulder: Tier
Cloak: Shadow of Dread (Nef)
Chest: Tier
Wrist: Bracers of the Dark Pool (BoT trash BoE)
Gloves: Tier
Belt: Conclave caster belt with Crit/Hit (failing that, Dreamless Belt from Tailoring)
Legs: Tier
Boots: Melodious Slippers (Valor Points)
Ring 1: Ring of High Arcanist Savor (World drop boe)
Ring 2: Conclave Crit/Hit ring (failing that, Band of Secret Names from Valor Points)
Weapon: Blade of the Witching hour (Valiona and Theralion)
Offhand: Book of something offhand from halfus wyrmbreaker
Wand: Theresa's Booklight (or something like that, BWD trash drop)
Trinket 1: Bell of Enraging Resonance
Trinket 2: Darkmoon: Volcanic (or Stump of Time or Theralion's Mirror)*

*I'd need to check how the hit works out to choose between the Darkmoon and Stump. Theralion's Mirror is (based on some guesstimate napkin math in another thread) slightly behind Darkmoon, but roughly the same stats, so could be used in place of it if you don't want to farm/shell out the cash for the darkmoon card.

[Tirsten]

where are you guys getting the math that the darkmoon card is better then the mirror?

The darkmoon card has an ICD of 45 seconds, which results in an average uptime of around 25% (easy to confirm by looking at world of logs). 25% of 1600 = 400 int, which is greater than the 321 int you get from the mirror (the mastery proc on the mirror is higher than 1600, but the uptime is lower, more like 18-20%). Plus you can reforge out the mastery static stat, whereas you can't reforge out the mastery proc on the mirror. Plus the darkmoon proc will activate on the pull along with your other procs/cds, further increasing it's value (hi halfus). Plus you can time cds and fireball spam to line up with later procs, unlike the static int bonus from the mirror.

edit: the math below looks correct, but doesn't take into account proc syncs or proper use of fireballs, which further pushes up the darkmoon card.

[Deleted]

where are you guys getting the math that the darkmoon card is better then the mirror?

Using the stat values for 359 set:

Mirror
321 int * 3.76dps + (1926*20s*1.38dps / 90s ICD) = 1 797.6 dps

Card
321 mastery * 1.38 dps * 0.6 reforged + 321 crit * 2.13 dps 0.4 reforged + (1600 int * 3.76dps * 12s / 45s ICD) + ([1.25 fire specialisation * {900 + 1500}]/2 proc / 45s ICD) = 2 176.88 dps

Assuming both trinkets proc after the ICD is up. Simple maths.

[Cebel]

ty for the math, i hadn't done it myself was just going by the BIS lists posted in the sticky, which haven't been updated since launch lol.

[nemex]

Because the forum mod who wrote the sticky doesn't update it.

I'll update it when I have spare time this weekend.

[Dacomp89]

In the calculation for the Darkmoon card you're using the dps value of intellect for the proc, but isn't an int proc different from a straight int bonus? Int provides additional mana as well, which contributes to its value. I don't know how the mana bonus works from the int proc but I can't imagine it actually gives you mana. I don't think the difference is quite large enough to make it less than BiS, but the two trinkets are probably closer than represented here.

[DirewolfX]

@Dacomp: Yes, I've been considering that as well, and I probably won't bother with the Darkmoon card. Using Stump of Time for now anyway, and I don't think Darkmoon is stronger enough to warrant the high price tag versus Theralion's Mirror.

[Skarrd]

@Dacomp: Yes, I've been considering that as well, and I probably won't bother with the Darkmoon card. Using Stump of Time for now anyway, and I don't think Darkmoon is stronger enough to warrant the high price tag versus Theralion's Mirror.

Depends if you're in a 10 or 25 man guild imo. mirror could take a while to actually get if you're fighting 8 casters for it, especially since trinkets tend to have lower drop rates. Card+stump would be the most reliable pre-heroic stuff if you have the gold available.

[DirewolfX]

Trinkets seem to drop decently often now. Got 2x Theralion's mirror on our first 25 man kill and another one last night. Got 2xBells on our first Atramedes kill, and since other casters don't seem to want it that badly, it went to mages. Seen the agi trinket off Halfus and a bunch of tank trinkets, too. I think a few heals ones as well (Jar of Ancient Remedies?), but I don't recall.

[jahensle]

Question: I have a darkmoon card and JC trinket currently (only like .50 under hit cap). Should I be looking to pick up the bell to replace the JC trinket? Some sites are listing the JC trinket (blue quality) as a best in slot pre heroic. Is this accurate? Thank you!

[Aunor]

I got a question direwolfx, how come that epic wand and offhand are better than pure crit and hit blue heroic wand and offhand, they in total got 35 intelect more, the epic but they got mastery and haste witch is useless, but blue wand and offhand have 160 crit + usefull hit. Thanks

[Zenzey]

I got a question direwolfx, how come that epic wand and offhand are better than pure crit and hit blue heroic, the epic but they got mastery and haste witch is useless, Thanks

Since when was Haste and Mastery USELESS? You still need your soft haste cap, and if you drop Mastery completely, you'll get lower Combustions, or just overall DoT's, which will decrease your DPS dramatically.