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Hello.
How are other Shadow Priests holding up DPS wise to other raid members in AOE? I'm finding myself pulling up the rear in DPS when AOE is needed using Mind Sear.
I understand that Mind Sear is needing work and most people are aware of it, but what should I do in AOE situations (Magmaw for example). Should I just single target DPS or should I use Mind Sear?
I'm pulling around 11-11.5k DPS raid buffed single target DPS, but around 4900-5800 DPS with Mind Sear on 5 targets.
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2011-01-11, 04:38 PM #1Keyboard Turner
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Mind Sear & Raid AOE DPS
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2011-01-11, 04:51 PM #2Brewmaster
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It sucks but there aren't really any viable alternatives for adds like Magmaw and Cho'gall
Blizzard stated it "feels low", hopefully that means they will address it soon.
On magmaw I will throw up say 2 swp and MF between MS as needed to keep up evangelism stacks.
I am unsure if Empowered Shadows buff effects mind sear's dmg, but I believe it does so I have been keeping it up during as well. (by just casting MB+orb on the add, since I generally have others in raid keeping up replenishment)
edit: on Cho'gall I wouldn't use mind sear on the first set of (4) mobs, just the 2nd and 3rd.
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2011-01-11, 05:06 PM #3Keyboard Turner
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MS is probably the one thing that separates a Shadow priest from all the other dps classes. Even rogues have a substantial AoE these days.
I have heard many ideas on improving it, and hopefully blizz is listening to some of them.
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2011-01-11, 05:07 PM #4Blademaster
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A limp noodle will hit harder than mindseer now and I've found that in aoe situations, I do much better and more easily controlled dps by single targeting. Then again, some situations, it dosn`t matter how quickly the adds die, `youjust hit mindseer and wait. But when the dmg needs to be out there quick (ex magmaw) I've found that mindseer is seriously lacking and your best bet is to mindspike
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2011-01-11, 05:10 PM #5Keyboard Turner
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The problem I have had with mind spike is cast time by the time I actually get the spell off most adds are dead. Same with dots, i may get one tick before adds die.
This may not be as relevant on Raid fights though when adds might last a little longer.
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2011-01-11, 05:15 PM #6The Patient
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I find it funny how shadow priests went from one of the strongest aoes in wotlk to one of the weakest in cata. In fact, holy nova (especially if glyphed) yields more dps that Mind Sear. Unfortunately nova isnt a viable option because it costs too much, and adds like magmaw prevent you from being in melee range anyway.
Mind Sear should be getting a buff in 4.0.6 though, as they have acknowledged that it is too low
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2011-01-11, 07:02 PM #7Keyboard Turner
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Originally Posted by domzai
Ask and you shall receive
Mind Sear: Causes an explosion of shadow magic around the enemy target, causing 146 to 158 Shadow damage every 1 sec for 5 sec to all enemies within 10 yards around the target.
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2011-01-11, 07:17 PM #8Mechagnome
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What would be nice is add an effect like DKs have to spread our dots using MS
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2011-01-11, 07:19 PM #9High Overlord
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On fights where you need to AoE, just dont.. hopefully your raid has enough aoe dps for you to just stay on the boss until they buff sear
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2011-01-11, 07:29 PM #10Herald of the Titans
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Patch notes say +60%. I don't think I've seen a buff of that magnitude ever. And I'm still not convinced it is enough.
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2011-01-11, 07:31 PM #11Banned
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It should be enough, because when you MS a ton of targets its actually useful even though its still low compared to other DPS. I don't care if it tops the DPS charts are at the bottom as long as its now worth casting and out dmgs holy nova i am happy. Originally Posted by Danner
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2011-01-11, 07:38 PM #12High Overlord
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I think they should revamp mind sear into a multi-shot style mind flay, you know with slow, chaneling and ticking for mf + swp damage
/discuss
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2011-01-11, 07:42 PM #13Blademaster
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Essentially, our DPS can't hold up with other raid members when AoE'ing. You always have the option to multi-DoT, but you'll be going OOM pretty quick. Originally Posted by Shampue
On Magmaw, I tend to focus solely on the boss. I leave the adds for the mages, boomkins, DK diseases, etc. My raid leader doesn't have a problem with that, and I do more overall damage that way. It might help that I'm also an officer, so it has been explained to other leadership that when they call for AoE I will probably be ignoring them.
On Cho'gall, I have to agree with others posts. For the first wave of AoE adds, I stay on Cho'gall and continue single target DPS. When there are 2-3 waves coming, I will switch to mind sear. Unless there are about 6 adds up, I don't usually bother throwing out a Mind Sear.
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2011-01-11, 08:15 PM #14Brewmaster
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This.. Or just an ability that is like hunters old Volley, just with shadow missiles. The problem with Mind Sear is also that it doesn't do damage to the target you actually use for mind sear, and most of the time the target we decide to use is the one that's killed fastest (or it's just always like that for me it seems). Plus, channeling spells are seriously annoying in Cataclysm because of all the movement.. All the clipping in MF is really FUN! Originally Posted by Kuismar
Yeah it's really nice, extra shadow damage in shadowform my ass Ô_ô Originally Posted by domzai
Last edited by Neliah; 2011-01-11 at 08:19 PM. Reason: Added stuff
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2011-01-11, 09:13 PM #15The Patient
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On WoWhead it said it can now be cast on any target, which means you could cast it on a friendly target so it actually hits all the enemies now
: D85 Priest/72 Druid/85 Mage/24 Shaman/56 Paladin
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2011-01-11, 09:23 PM #16Blademaster
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I wouldn't keep your hopes up - not sure that's intentional. If it is, I guess you just start casting it on your tank. Originally Posted by Marraphy
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2011-01-11, 09:25 PM #17Keyboard Turner
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holy shit, if you can cast this on people, its gonna need a nerf to its graphic, because you can cast that anywhere now!
but that would really help out with mind sear's issues.
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2011-01-11, 09:28 PM #18Stood in the Fire
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2011-01-11, 10:49 PM #19Over 9000!
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Well, they changed the tooltip, which seems intentional enough, but we can wait and see. Originally Posted by rhyliss
I shall die here. Every inch of me shall perish. Every inch, but one. An inch. It is small and it is fragile and it is the only thing in the world worth having. We must never lose it or give it away. We must never let them take it from us.
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2011-01-12, 01:35 AM #20Bloodsail Admiral
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hurray! at least we may channel Mind Sear to the end more often.Mind Sear can now be channeled on friendly targets in addition to enemy targets. In addition, Mind Sear's damage has been increased by roughly 15%.
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