Teddy Bear Tanking...?

[Deleted]

While i was trying to figure out a way to express my thoughts regarding the latest nerfs of feral druids (including bears of course), i found out that either my brain has some critical issues, even with maths or everyone's dps meters totally lie...

And here's the reason : I believe that most of us have seen all tanking classes aoe tanking. According to the dps meters, every single time warriors, paladins and DK tanks were dealing MUCH more damage and threat than a bear. However... Bear got nerfed.... Every single threat ability has been nerfed, including the aoe ones... 1 > 2 and 1 has to be nerfed... Hmm... Something seems to be wrong... Or it isn't...? Am so confused...

But don't give up. There IS a way to be the best aoe tank... Force your girlfriend to play a hunter in order to missdirect you. Force your best friend to play a rogue in order to give you TotT. Force your brother to play as paladin in order to give Hand of Salvation to the one who DARED to use some aoe abilites. And of course BELIEVE... Because HE is the only one who can really help you hold the aggro...

And when it comes to single target threat... Let's nerf all the single-target abilities as well... Since bears are so OP while aoe tanking, they had to be nerfed in order to "keep the balance"...

"Bring the player, not the class" is what Blizzard used to say, and correct me if i'm wrong... That's exactly why always the warrior tank of my guild takes care of the aoe tanking during boss fights (like the adds during Magmaw encounter)...

We just have to admit it.. Blizz will be always buffing the classes that most people like and just keep on nerfing every other class that could "hurt" these favorite classes...

And of course the above text includes comments for the "hotfixes" that have been made even before the release of the last patch.

[Elunedra]

imo single target threat for bears is to high, blizzard want threat to matter and well atm it doesnt i am miles ahead of dpers, they doing like 15K? i do 50K+ threat whit a mangle. so i can understand the nerfs

also did you ever try to tank a group of 3 - 4 Mobs whit bezerk / magle / maul spam ? you do 25k+ dps way mroe thne any dps does on a 3 target base

but i didnt see swipe and trash getting nerfed witch is good as our aoe tanking is still a bit low but i think our aoe tankning is perfect in a way where threat does matter, trash + swipe give decent untiltiy to hold argo but you need to work hard as a tank and not just stand still and use those 2 abilities

so i fully understand the nerfs from a druid perspective. however i dont know how it is for other tanks if other tanks are also making such huge TPS and not getting nerfs then it is indeed not fair.

recently i have been wondering why do we take dpsers on a run ? i often see the tank as 2nd of 3rd on the damage meter in 5 man herorics :P but i think that only works if the tanks is getting hit and builds rage and vegence. a tank that try's to dps does a lot less damage

[Tahsou]

tbh compere to the other tanking classes Im worried to, worried about my treath on singel target bosses not on aoe (thx for rogues /hunters), holding a raid where most dpsers are up on the 21+ k requires a active bear, but there is room for treath reduction also, but compering to the tank classes I cant realy see the point of nerfing us atp Im 1 of the few bears left on my server tanking raids as mt, bears do great inside raids right now, progressing in our bosses and taking the beat for others, but as always Im used to nerf and will find a solution around it as we always have done. Soo let us wait and see how this affects us , its always a solution when they take their nerf hammer over our heads. I also have to add that the armor+ they plan is mutch welcome and mutch needed. So all in all just let us see what they trow at us first.

[Deleted]

Hmm... Have you ever noticed a warrior's single target DPS and TPS...?

Have you ever noticed a warrior's aoe DPS and TPS ?

"worried about my treath on singel target bosses not on aoe (thx for rogues /hunters)" is exactly what Tahsou wrote... Ok... We have 4 tanks in game... 3 of them do not need a raid consisted of rogues and hunters for the relevant missdirects... The fourth one needs at least 5 rogues and 5 hunters to do so... And what Blizz does... Nerfing the fourth one...

And here's the new rule of nerfing the classes : 10 developers - 10 different classes. Each one of them choses a class. They form a raid. They count to 10 and then they /roll... The one who rolls the lowest gets nerfed...

But classes like Rogues (a simple example) are always chosen by Chuck-Developers... They manage to roll more than 100% and that's why they get buffed... Don't you agree that rogues had a big disadvantage and they needed a buff btw...? Most of them turned EMO after realizing that they could be out-dpsed.... Blizz had to fix it immediatly...

Back to (Teddy from now on, since they are scratching like cartoons) Bears... Even Thick Hide (talent) buff disappeared... In the end we will have dead Bears (yes i mean the druids), getting skinned by other players when they die. Their loot table will be one of their already equipped items and this is going to be the only reason someone will want a Bear in his raid.

Finally... Let's all make a small gift to Blizzard's developers... Send them a calculator... They REALLY need it...

[kATTEKONGEN]

Bear single target threat deserves a nerf. The AOE aint to strong, but gues what! We have other tanks to take care of aoe tanking, just as we had it in tbc. YOur world aint gonna crash.

[Deleted]

I agree with you totally Nicotine. The AoE tanking stinks! It was good before the nerf.. But the single target tanking is ok to nerf, it was pretty high :/

[Thimagryn]

Aside from having reverted from hit cap to 4% to get more avoidance, I haven't had too many problems with threat other than AoE, which is going to be a given. On situations where AoE is a phase and a must, I pop berserk. Otherwise there's always another tank to grab AoE threat.

Is this nerf gonna be bad? Of course it's bad, it's a nerf. However our threat was high enough that it didn't really matter. And in AoE situations, I don't think it will matter, because our AoE threat is already bad. It's something we have to live with and use our cooldowns for.

[Elunedra]

Bear single target threat deserves a nerf. The AOE aint to strong, but gues what! We have other tanks to take care of aoe tanking, just as we had it in tbc. YOur world aint gonna crash.

fact is a druid cannot main tank a raid anymore

[Borakh]

Heh, I like topping the meters as tank with more DPS than as cat and doing insane amounts of damage on three with Berserk popped but well, I get how that frustrates the DPS classes, I used to feel the same way about Pally tanks. ;-) Enjoy it while it lasts!

I don't have any issues AE tanking with Swipe and Thrash but I admit they don't seem as crazy as Mangle.

[Deleted]

fact is a druid cannot main tank a raid anymore

I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. I am the main tank of our raid, doing just fine clearing the soft mode content. Sejta is the main tank of the guild at the top of the progression ladder right now, guess what? He's a bear.

The fact that our AOE gameplay sucks has nothing to do with our ability to main tank. Currently, we are more than viable on a single target. There are even a bunch of encounters I daresay we are the best at doing so.

Just don't tank adds. Ever. Not just because of threat. Because of survivability as well - SD sucks on multiple targets.

[Elunedra]

I'm sorry, but this is bullshit.

it was, it was just to get the discusion going again ;P

[Barawr]

I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. I am the main tank of our raid, doing just fine clearing the soft mode content. Sejta is the main tank of the guild at the top of the progression ladder right now, guess what? He's a bear.

The fact that our AOE gameplay sucks has nothing to do with our ability to main tank. Currently, we are more than viable on a single target. There are even a bunch of encounters I daresay we are the best at doing so.

Just don't tank adds. Ever. Not just because of threat. Because of survivability as well - SD sucks on multiple targets.

I have to agree with you here! Being a feral I jump around between bear and kitty quite a bit throughout our raid nights. When tanking, however, I have noticed while browsing logs that my incoming damage is far lower than that of our other tanks. With that said I have no problems fessing up to my raid leader that I should NOT tank multiple adds (Maloriak kiting for instance) due to the way our SD works.

[Deleted]

it was, it was just to get the discusion going again ;P

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[Arielle]

My only issues are with thrash being nerfed :\ everything else i don't care that much about. Still if they keep the thick hide changes that are on the PTR my armor goes from 32.6k self buffed to 43.6k \0/.

Swings and roundabouts

Thrash isn't getting nerfed. Neither is Swipe.

[Barawr]

# Thrash base damage has been reduced by 17%, from 243 to 202. Bleed effect base damage also reduced by 17%, from [ 7.8% of AP + 455 ] to [ 7.8% of AP + 379 ]
# Swipe base damage has been reduced by 17%, from 171 to 143.

I'm guessing that these are just tooltip fixes from past since they do not appear in 4.0.6 notes.

[Torne]

I don´t nderstand it either, with my DK I deal more damage while tanking than with my druid and have enough aggro to hold the mob for at least 1 min after 5 rune strikes... But DK tank dmg got buffed.

[Deleted]

Lol firstly ...
If you are a Bear you SHOULD NOT BE aoe tanking for your guild FACT. This is because SD works horribly in mass situations its generally a really bad idea!
Secondly...
"ZOMG BB BEAR TANKS!!11" The top progression guild in the world uses a bear as their MT, we have great mitigation, avoidance and survivability plus excellent mobility and flexibilty with things like innervate and CR. If your guild knows what theyre doing, they'll be looking to have a bear tank, it seams DK tanks are the ones being benched atm.
Thirdly...
Have you ever popped beserk and mashed maul/mangle? The damage is plain retarded, you are a tank not a dps! I honestly switch from kitty to bear when im aoe dpsing, its like being in sunwell again and its WRONG. We deserve a nerf and we all know it!
Lastly...
This is a threat and DPS nerf whilst weve got a buff to armor. This balances us as tanks, we were lacking a little in mitigation and we were doing too much threat.

[mauledbypandas]

As far as I can tell the Armor buff is only datamined so far, not in the official patch notes. It is however showing up in the PTR tooltip. I don't see them giving us 5k (average) more armor than everyone else, but I would be happy with being brought up to par with the shield tanks.

[Deleted]

I will NOT believe allegations made by a man who claims to have been mauled by such gentle creatures.

You have been warned.

[mauledbypandas]

I will NOT believe allegations made by a man who claims to have been mauled by such gentle creatures.

You have been warned.

pandas can be downright nasty when provoked! don't believe the cuddly exterior