4.0.6. Mage dont get buffed, they get nerfed.

[ricque]

According the last info on the patch notes. Mages gets an 15% dmg buff on Icelance and Frostbolt when FoF is up.

Allthought we lose 15% mastery meaning we do 15% less dmg then we do now against any target that is in shatter/deepfreeze/FoFproc.

So this means: the frostbolt and icelance dmg stays the same when FoF Procs. But other spells do less dmg (cone of cold or w/e).

Also according this post: blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/150887/ice-lance-is-buffed-omg-cataclysm-patch

Or actually i qouted "We've also buffed Frost Bolt a little, meaning that it's slightly more effective against non-Frozen targets. Our intent is that Ice Lance is slightly down on damage and effectiveness in PvP, and Frost Bolt is more useful."

BLizzard wants to see more casting -> frostbolt then spamming icelance. (Good thinking, but were missing something). With the removal of bloodlust/time wrap and such we cant afford to cast in some situation cuz of the frostbolt casting time. So we gotta reforge/stack haste again, meaning we gotta lose crit or mastery. MEANING we are getting nerfed in damage overal.


Am i right or am i missing something out?

[ohsnap]

Did you actually think that Blizz would give us buffs? Doesn't do great buffs. They give relatively minor buffs but on the other hand, they give great nerfs.

[George Costanza]

I knew this day would come

[ricque]

well eventually if im right, we got nerfed.

[Deleted]

"omg why can't we be op anymore so fun"

[Ellesarr]

Fire manareduction is all I care about and thats a boost

[BurningStick]

Fire got buffed, I couldn't care less about frost

[Ollan]

I registered JUST for this thread. Really dude? Mages are damn near unkillable one on one. They do nothing but instant cast and root and slow and kite if attacked. Maybe Blizz wants you using CASTS instead of instants so that you HAVE to stand still for a second or two now and again.

[ricque]

"omg why can't we be op anymore so fun"

its not about being OP. I admit spaming icelance in a deepfreeze is kinda boring. But if they want to see us cast again.. Buff up the haste or frostbolt casting time. So we dont need to stack so much haste again and losing mastery/crit for it >.<

[pharix]

this is not a bad thing. makes icelance facerollers have to think a little.

[Deleted]

its not about being OP. I admit spaming icelance in a deepfreeze is kinda boring. But if they want to see us cast again.. Buff up the haste or frostbolt casting time. So we dont need to stack so much haste again and losing mastery/crit for it >.<

True, but you can't have everything that's why you have to priority the stats you think you need. You can't have all the cookies, but I admit a shorter cast time on frostbolt would be ok not to much though.

[Catbert]

I registered JUST for this thread. Really dude? Mages are damn near unkillable one on one. They do nothing but instant cast and root and slow and kite if attacked. Maybe Blizz wants you using CASTS instead of instants so that you HAVE to stand still for a second or two now and again.

Really.... maybe if you knew anything about how blizzard balances there game... you wouldn't of wasted your time registering to post something dumb.

BLIZZARD DOESN'T BALANCE FOR 1v1... they never have... and they never will... blizzard doesn't even balance for 2v2 anymore... they have already stated that if it weren't for people doing 2v2 they would delete that bracket.

3v3.. 5v5... and rated battlegrounds are all that matters when it comes to balancing...

[wMw]

Mages are unstopable and uncatchable. Blizzard want to prevent this ugly sound: pshhhhh, pshhhhh, psshhhh, psshhhh ( ice lance sound )

---------- Post added 2011-01-12 at 05:28 PM ----------

Really.... maybe if you knew anything about how blizzard balances there game... you wouldn't of wasted your time registering to post something dumb.

BLIZZARD DOESN'T BALANCE FOR 1v1... they never have... and they never will... blizzard doesn't even balance for 2v2 anymore... they have already stated that if it weren't for people doing 2v2 they would delete that bracket.

3v3.. 5v5... and rated battlegrounds are all that matters when it comes to balancing...

haha, no they do balance 1v1 and 2v2..haha gimme blue post, liar. IN FACT, they DO BALANCE not just pvp-spec, but all specs in-game. For example a rogue will always have chances against Prot Warrior or Blood DK, not just Unholy DK and Arms War.
You just wanna say, "I'm mage, mages are fine, l2p, yeah it's disbalanced, let it be, get used to it" f**k no, delete ur mage, we will whine, untule ur comfortable untouchable mage will get nerfed, u'll be like moonkin, having only typhon and root to kite enemies. not that MILLION novas and freezes

[Asajj]

... you wouldn't of wasted your time registering to post something dumb.

Wouldn't HAVE

[Ollan]

That's just it, what I'm saying is a mage is completely unkillable without multiple people on him, and if he has a healer, he's flat unkillable. YES, they ARE trying to reduce your damage and force you to stand still now and again. YES, they ARE making you re-arrange your stats for pvp. Why? Because it forces you to choose survival or damage, just like EVERY OTHER DPS in PVP. It doesn't matter weather they balance for 1v1 or 2v2 or 3v3, the point is mages had the unfair advantage of "I can't be cought and still do excellant damage on the move while slowing you."

[ricque]

Mages are unstopable and uncatchable. Blizzard want to prevent this ugly sound: pshhhhh, pshhhhh, psshhhh, psshhhh ( ice lance sound )

---------- Post added 2011-01-12 at 05:28 PM ----------



haha, no they do balance 1v1 and 2v2..haha gimme blue post, liar. IN FACT, they DO BALANCE not just pvp-spec, but all specs in-game. For example a rogue will always have chances against Prot Warrior or Blood DK, not just Unholy DK and Arms War.
You just wanna say, "I'm mage, mages are fine, l2p, yeah it's disbalanced, let it be, get used to it" f**k no, delete ur mage, we will whine, untule ur comfortable untouchable mage will get nerfed, u'll be like moonkin, having only typhon and root to kite enemies. not that MILLION novas and freezes

or mobility will remain the same trol

---------- Post added 2011-01-12 at 03:33 PM ----------

That's just it, what I'm saying is a mage is completely unkillable without multiple people on him, and if he has a healer, he's flat unkillable. YES, they ARE trying to reduce your damage and force you to stand still now and again. YES, they ARE making you re-arrange your stats for pvp. Why? Because it forces you to choose survival or damage, just like EVERY OTHER DPS in PVP. It doesn't matter weather they balance for 1v1 or 2v2 or 3v3, the point is mages had the unfair advantage of "I can't be cought and still do excellant damage on the move while slowing you."

How the hell cant u kill a mage?

[shadowkras]

BLizzard wants to see more casting -> frostbolt then spamming icelance.

That is the EXACT problem.

Icelance should not be spammable at all, the damage should be cut in half at least, frost mages are already one of the best kiters in pvp, and you allow them to deal huge damage while moving by promoting icelance spamming.

Reducing icelance damage from 20k to 18k will not stop the spamming, you will just die in one more global cooldown.

[Catbert]

haha, no they do balance 1v1 and 2v2..haha gimme blue post, liar. IN FACT, they DO BALANCE not just pvp-spec, but all specs in-game. For example a rogue will always have chances against Prot Warrior or Blood DK, not just Unholy DK and Arms War

Yep... and you are obviously new to world of warcraft... welcome to the game!...

"4) The real take home message is that we don't put a lot of time balancing 1 v 1. The reasons are A) that there is nothing in the game that showcases 1v 1 encounters (you don't get Arena points from duels), and B) 1 v 1 balance doesn't scale well to team balance, which is showcased in Arena and BGs."

there is your quote... and because I am such a nice guy!

here is your link:

mmo-champion.com/threads/701256-Cataclysm-in-PC-Gamer-UK-Blue-posts

You can find the quote I posted in the: 1v1 Balance and Healer vs. DPS section

Also... blizzard making it so you can't get tier 2 weapons... shoulders... or titles from 2v2... should obviously show that they can never balance the bracket properly and don't want easy mode / face roll comps getting free rewards.

I play a shadow priest but I play with a gladiator frost mage... and I completely agree they are overpowered... but I also don't post retarded statements without first considering all the scenarios where they could possibly be balanced or imbalanced...

mages shine in 3v3 and 5v5 because of the amount of control they bring to the match. Blizzard needed to reduce there damage because you can't have MASS DAMAGE and MASS CONTROL in the same class... it should be one or the other.

[Ollan]

Can't kill what you can't catch. Every tool I have to try and get out of roots and keep moving isn't enough vs a spellstealing lance-spamming frost mage. I'm melee. Half the time I don't get but 3-4 swings on him, let alone any time to ramp up for any good hits.

[Deleted]

I registered JUST for this thread. Really dude? Mages are damn near unkillable one on one. They do nothing but instant cast and root and slow and kite if attacked. Maybe Blizz wants you using CASTS instead of instants so that you HAVE to stand still for a second or two now and again.

welcome to mmo -champ

---------- Post added 2011-01-12 at 03:40 PM ----------

its not about being OP. I admit spaming icelance in a deepfreeze is kinda boring. But if they want to see us cast again.. Buff up the haste or frostbolt casting time. So we dont need to stack so much haste again and losing mastery/crit for it >.<

mayby they did it
SO u have to do something instead of superfast casting time
cos what u want is a faster frostbolt so u dont have so much casting
thats exactly why they want u to cast frostbolt
so u have casting time instead of spam
seriously plz learn to understand why they nerf something