People who aren't trying as hard as they could be

[batshipcrazy]

Why do people yell at people who aren't trying as hard as the possibly can? There is no way to settle this arguement as both sides have equal points and therefore is a frivilous thing to complain about. We all pay the same price to play the game, not everybody wants to play the same way, so of course your going to have people disagreeing with the way others play but as I said everyone pays the same price to play the game and just because you don't like the way they play doesn't give you the right to yell at them if it's interfering with the way you play, and the sure as hell shouldnt have to limit their game content because of it. Am I incorrect in any way by any of this guys? By the way this isn't a troll thread I'm trying to establish a point, please come up with something more creative to say...

[Deleted]

I agree there is no point to yell at people who do not try as hard as they could. I usually just leave when I encounter these people.

I cannot understand why anyone would ever do something without trying their hardest, just seems like a waiste of time to me.

[Manito]

People have the right to play any spec or style they choose. People also have the right to not invite these people to join their raids. Sounds like a fair trade off to me. Yelling at people is a bit much however.

[Chareoss]

If you que for a heroic instance or a raid, and you are not puling your weight, you bring the WHOLE GROUP down. If you want to play half ass, do it in a way that doesnt affect the people in your group or raid.

This is an mmo, based on grouping, and it won't get you far if you're not pulling your weight for that exact reason.

Deal with it, or find another game... Don't complain when people call you out for not stepping up. There's a valid reason they do it (I realise the way some people go about this is wrong, and many people can generally be ass holes, even if you might be trying to do the right thing)

Sorry to be so frank.

[Deleted]

Players who know how to play, seems to think that they're pretty much only paying customers in WoW and therefore they have rights to say what you have to do or blame you if you are playing differently than those.

[esmifra]

If you are not trolling you sure seem like it..
Wall of text is bad for making points.

Although I agree with you its in human nature to try to force others into the same way of thinking.
Just learn to live with it and try not to care.

[batshipcrazy]

I'm not trolling at all, I have been encountering this alot more often and decided to post my thoughts on it

[Ershiin]

What you're saying there is that because people are preventing us from having fun, we have absolutely no right to yell at them and prevent them from having fun.
So people who dont try as hard has better rights? I pay the same as the slacker, why is he allowed to limit my fun with the content when i'm not allowed to limit his?
That makes no sense whatsoever, does it now?

[Naoto]

It's simple, by refusing to try hard you're ruining the game for the other 4 people in your group, is that what you consider normal? do I go onto a train and be as loud as possible because I paid the exact same fair as everyone else so I can do what I want even if it means ruining the journeys of everyone else on that train?

People don't mind if you decide you don't want to try, but then you should also make your own group with 4 like-minded people then the 5 of you can just sit back and slack while the people that want to try can do so without carrying some selfish bastard through a heroic. If we all take your mentality and 5 people in a heroic decide they can't be arsed, then what? what amazes me is the fact you DECIDE you don't want to try after JOINING a group to accomplish something, that's as retarded as spending money to do something then deciding you'd rather not.

Makes me wonder why people like yourself even bother playing the game if you have this mentality.

I guess the same can be said for these people who play bad on purpose so they can then say it's just a game? I really don't know how you can justify people joining a group with the intention of not trying, I mean seriously? just because they pay the same fee per month as us?

[P4R45171K]

You mean you haven't been hard on the game? ILvl = how bad ass you really are sir.
Truthfully I'm sure that it's just people eventually getting fed up with things then when someone pokes them the wrong way again they lose it, that or they are just an ass.

[batshipcrazy]

@Ershiin No, not at all. What I'm saying is that it is POINTLESS to yell at these people, and it's accomplishing nothing.

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@Naoto Well if that's the case, why dont people that dont like people who dont tyry hard make a group of people and just play with them

[Naoto]

No, not at all. What I'm saying is that it is POINTLESS to yell at these people, and it's accomplishing nothing.

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Well if that's the case, why dont people that dont like people who dont tyry hard make a group of people and just play with them

Then what, the dps who waited 45 minutes for the heroic to pop should just leave because that guy doesn't want to try hard? when you're ruining the gaming experience of other people no shit they're going to yell at you, or anyone else and hopefully vote kick.

[Remortal]

I don't care if puggers aren't optimised, but if they are AFK'ing or just idling in a dungeon then why are they there? A dungeon is about beating encounters as a group and working together, and if people aren't participating they are going directly against that and getting carried. People bring up the "everyone is paying the same amount so they can play how they like" is a true opinion, but also a flawed one. As the way most players want to play is as i said above, working together. As another player begins to impede this they are stopping another person playing how they want, brining upon the same claus.

[batshipcrazy]

Why do you assume I'm talking about myself? I said I've noticed this and it doesn't make sense to me

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Well, due to the fact that it's generally DPS that do this it's really not that hard to replace them, now tank or heals, sure I get you point but not DPS

[Ershiin]

Well if that's the case, why dont people that dont like people who dont tyry hard make a group of people and just play with them

Thats the thing.. More often than not, we do.
Which is why almost every single pug consists of mostly slackers and bads.. Not because they're the majority, but because they're the majority who pug.
The ones who arent bad or simply slacking usually either just havent realised the wonders of preforming groups, or were naive enough to think that maybe this one wasnt going to be as horrible as the last time they tried pugging.

That, or they're leveling and dont got a choice in the matter.

Oh! And lets not forget about the whole GROUP thing! Some people actually have the silly expectations that they'll get teamplay out of joining a team! Such silly thoughts, they obviously havent realised this is the internet!

[Jeffari]

I usually don't give them a chance to argue but rather votekick. If I'm all outta votekicks I'll simply leave. Arguing with someone who does 2k dps in a heroic @ 85 isn't worth my time. Stick to normal dungeons.

[Naoto]

Why do you assume I'm talking about myself? I said I've noticed this and it doesn't make sense to me

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Well, due to the fact that it's generally DPS that do this it's really not that hard to replace them, now tank or heals, sure I get you point but not DPS

Based on your OP I got the feeling you're one of them hence the fact you're trying to justify it with bullshit excuses including the fact you (or they) pay the same monthly fee as us, I also say you in a more general term because yet again, I get the feeling you're one of these people yourself, if you weren't then I'd see no reason for you to defend them or try to justify what they do when you know it's clearly not normal.

[batshipcrazy]

I was just simply throwing in my opinion on the subject

[Lansow]

I don't care if a person isn't willing to try. I'll be tossing them out of my group on their ass before it affects me anyway.

[Bombkirby]

There was one guy who definetly not trying his best. 1st boss in SFK requires a lot of inturupting. We only had 1 interrupter....an Enhancement shammy. We told him to interrupt the spells and his reply was "...I'll try I guess." After 6 attempts and only attempting to interrupt like 3 times, the group fell apart. I guess he didn't quite understand the only way to beat the boss was if he interrupted and that every one was relying on him. Now I also see the point of the nerf so the boss cannot use "Mend Rotten Flesh."