Bear aoe - awful!

[Deleted]

So i have this druid, 62 atm who i played for the first time since 4.0.3. I queue as tank for random, get in and start pulling and quickly realise how screwed we are. Swipe 180 hits with stacked up veng, maul maybe 400 hits and only mangle still staying decent. Wtf happend in the patch? I remember getting 2k swipe crits before and now i lose aggro after 3 sec.

[Arcangel14]

Dont worry, thrash solves all the problems.....
Not.

Bear AoE threat is horrendously bad, swipe needs a huge buff.

[funkhouser]

Didn't they just nerf swipe and thrash by like 20%?

[Deleted]

Didn't they just nerf swipe and thrash by like 20%?

More like 80% :S Atleast at lower lvls

[Chaltione]

Many abilities were doing way too much damage and has been reduced at lower levels. 2k swipe crits at 62 is too much, so it has been balanced (yes you read it, balanced, not nerfed).

[capnscoob]

Play a prot pally.... it solves everything

on a more serious note... yea AoE tanking is horrible especially on groups that are not already concentrated, I would suggest going kitten, but kitten is getting its ass handed a new one in PvP and depending on some of the other changes they were possibly doing it might be an ass rape in PvE also... So go prot pally they dont really ever seem to get nerfed. Rebuke as every spec + hammer of justice + avengers sheild in pvp= caster on teh floor, if done properly

[General_Typhus]

Many abilities were doing way too much damage and has been reduced at lower levels. 2k swipe crits at 62 is too much, so it has been balanced (yes you read it, balanced, not nerfed).

Yeah that sounds really gamebreaking, let's "fix" other tanking abilities so no tanks play WoW at all.

[The Ogdru Jahad]

I have been a devout feral bear for years and the nerf to swipe when the cata patch came out was a big hit but also a nice change. Thrash, while many say does nothing, really helps. You still need to tab target, thats how tanks should be doing it now. But I hear at lower levels bear tanking is unbearably hard.

[igtenos]

Not only is our AOE bad, but pulling can be messy.... I would kill to have avenger's shield sometimes. Words cannot describe my hatred of those Milhouse Manastorm pulls in Stonecore. I wonder why Ozruk gets all the hate in that dungeon?

[Deleted]

I have been a devout feral bear for years and the nerf to swipe when the cata patch came out was a big hit but also a nice change. Thrash, while many say does nothing, really helps. You still need to tab target, thats how tanks should be doing it now. But I hear at lower levels bear tanking is unbearably hard.

Pun intended? hehe

85 Solves alot of things, my druid bear is in really weak gear, just hit 85 and is hitting 17k mangles and mauls, aoe is very average, best to just tab with maul and swipe when its up, the 17k crits are with vengeance at like 58 as well, so i imagine it can hit for loads more.

[Kagonos]

Feral

* Rip now scales from 16.56/33.12/49.68/66.42% of Attack Power, down from 18.4/36.8/55.2/73.6/92%.
* Rake now scales from 2.07% of Attack Power, down from 2.3%. Additional bleed damage now scales from 37.8% of Attack Power, down from 42%, base damage reduced by 10%, from 1859 to 1672.
* Shred now deals 450% damage plus 1487, up from 350% plus 1156.
* Skull Bash (Cat) / Skull Bash (Bear) now prevents spell from that school from being cast for 4 sec, down from 5 sec.
* Maul now scales from 24% of Attack Power, down from 30%. - NERF
* Lacerate now scales from 7.66% of Attack Power, down from 9.58%. Now makes enemies bleed for 35 + 2.56% of Attack Power, down from 35 + 3.2% of Attack Power - NERF.
* Mangle (Cat) now deals 460% normal damage plus 1452, up from 360% plus 1136.
* (Mangle) Mangle (Bear) now deals 235% normal damage plus 681, down from 300% plus 870 - NERF.
* Pulverize now deals 80% weapon damage, down from 100%. Additional damage reduced by 20% as well, from 450 to 360 - NERF.


So, yeah, until thrash @ 81, AOE threat is absolutely TERRIBLE, and there is a proposal to nerf Maul as you can see, which, while not truly AOE, is the only thing next to swipe that hits more than a single target (before thrash.) So, yeah, it's pretty bad for bears in the lower level dungeons. Not to metion the lack of savage defense, it's like, why even bother... I tried it in all the leveling gear, even and it is abysmal. So, I said, "Fuck it, I'm going pure cat, cuz this is RIDICULOUS!!!!

At 85, it's still a bit rough, and truth be told, swipe needs to be brought up a bit. I think thrash needs to be as well, but Blizzard is nerfing all bleeds, regardless of whether it is from cat or bear form. But in heroic gear in heroic dungeons and raids, AOE threat is fine since you really shouldn't be having your DPS AOEing much. You're way better off focusing down single targets.

[Deleted]

Unbearably hard is the word i've been looking for. I'm in full heirloom enchanted gear + some of best outland blue/green pieces ALL enchanted bringing me to 1.7k unbuffed ap in bear form which is ALOT at these lvls. But even so I can barely hold aggro and often lose it even with all possible tools and I pull 600 dps MAX even when I do pulls of 10+ mobs. As a healer i've been getting groups with warrs/pally tanks doing 1.5k+ dps at 60-63. Now imagine you get noob bear in lame lvling gear try to tank dungeons...

EDIT: I have a pic of me fully stacked up veng and me at 2.6k ap and still highest swipe hit in that fight has been around 270 :S

[Boringz]

bear aoe is idd horrible :\ arms warriors that use sweeping strikes and bladestorm overaggro 75% of the time .. bear tanks just cant keep it up with 2 6 second cooldown moves :S

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to be fair, with 28k attack power (vengeanced) u still hit for 4-5k swipes -_- it's just ridiculous low

[Pozz]

It works out if you organize people in your group.

Having just leveled a feral druid I must say that feral tanks pre-40 is horrible in terms of damage mitigation, and get swipe waaaaaay too late.

[Milocow]

they shud make mangle like heart strike..
or buff the cleave of glyph of maul..
lacerate hits too little now =_=

[Tamamo]

* Maul now scales from 24% of Attack Power, down from 30%. - NERF
* Lacerate now scales from 7.66% of Attack Power, down from 9.58%. Now makes enemies bleed for 35 + 2.56% of Attack Power, down from 35 + 3.2% of Attack Power - NERF.
* (Mangle) Mangle (Bear) now deals 235% normal damage plus 681, down from 300% plus 870 - NERF.
* Pulverize now deals 80% weapon damage, down from 100%. Additional damage reduced by 20% as well, from 450 to 360 - NERF.

Maul and Pulverize never hit hard in the first place, and Lacerate even worse, why bother nerfing them? :\ Not to mention Swipe and Thrash doesn't always cut it. Keeps giving me problems at Maloriak when the healers out-threat me.

[panky]

Pop Thorns before each pull.

[TheBloodKrayze]

Play a prot pally.... it solves everything

Pretty much this, Prot Pallies are still the most faceroll and ezmode tank in the game.

[wickedbastard]

You guys kidding me? Out bear tank reaches 35k+ on trash...

[crayven]

Many abilities were doing way too much damage and has been reduced at lower levels. 2k swipe crits at 62 is too much, so it has been balanced (yes you read it, balanced, not nerfed).

Balanced compared to what??
Did you know our tanks struggle ( not only bear ) with keeping aggro from HEALER - wtf is this?
At Maloriak i do more aggro than my threat geared bear ! Wtf is this?

Back to Vanilla retardness where skills were so fucked up and people played with stoneage talents??