Jewelcrafting vs. Engineering (or Tailoring?) (PVE)

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I've noticed that a lot of locks who raid at hardcore raiding guilds (Paragon, Method etc...) have changed their professions into Enchanting / Engineering. Though i still see a lot of people talking about Jewelcrafting or even Tailoring. Since i haven't been arround for some time now i'm just wondering what cons made them change their Jewelcrafting into Engineering. Is it just the epic head? Or are their more cons? Hope to hear your expertise about this.

Souled

[gherkin]

Enchanting means that you always get shards, which are good for making money and also for raiding.
Engineering has so much utility its hard to pass up. Boots, belt, gloves, helm, helm sockets, slowfall to cloak, trinkets.

If I hadn't dropped so much time/gold into JC I'd drop it for Engineering in a heartbeat.

[grimdok]

My understanding is that from a raw dps standpoint, tailoring and enchanting are the best. You get the best cloak enchant from tailoring, and you get the INT enchant on rings from enchanting. Engineering brings a whole smorgasbord of other utility, so it really depends on what your priority. The purples from all crafting generally rate lower than the stuff you get from raiding, so that wasn't a big concern for me, personally.

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My understanding is that from a raw dps standpoint, tailoring and enchanting are the best. You get the best cloak enchant from tailoring, and you get the INT enchant on rings from enchanting. Engineering brings a whole smorgasbord of other utility, so it really depends on what your priority. The purples from all crafting generally rate lower than the stuff you get from raiding, so that wasn't a big concern for me, personally.

Are the epics you get from crafting easy to replace? Or are it from drops on HC? I believe you shouldn't be looking at drops from like... Lady Sinestra or something. I guess i'm gonna level Engineering because of it being a pretty great profession to begin with for raiding. Maybe when raid-progression is getting further and more better gear becoming available due to this i'll move into Tailoring.

[pimpeddakota]

Eng... gives some very nice cogwheel sockets and like its said above Enchanting will make you tons of gold early on in an xpac... heck in WoTLK I was seeing people rolled DE in groups when shards were selling for 7G a pop and the gear sold to vendor was 15G. But early on shards were in low supply. I'm wondering how many people drop either alchemy or enchanting once blizzard took away their free Malestrom cystals

[Bakis]

Dont pick engi unless there is a new head each tier (which never happened so far).
Oh unless you really dig the gadgets but from dps pov naaa

[Deleted]

Im pretty sure from a min max dps pov tailoring and leatherworking gives you the best boosts due to enchants.

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Ill try to make this coherent but it might not turn out like that considering ym current condition.

If you look at pure stats then Leatherworking and Tailoring will give you the biggest boost with a estimate of 100intel and 193,3intel respectivly.

Engineering comes with a lot of toys and a 97 intell bonus boost from the glov enchant. Jeeves saves repair times if no one else in your guild have it and it gives you a veru nice entery level raiding helmet which will last you quite some time unless you are allready on heroic content. The other big thing is the speed boost enchant you get on your belt, the problem with it is that it has the potential to explode in your face and throw you up in the air and depending on the situation it might kill you, wipe your raid or, in the best case secenary, make your guildies laugh at you. Personaly i do have that enchant but i would consider it a last resort button, it is to unreliable to count on it, i would only use it in a scenario where i know i would die if i didnt.

Enchanting is not really a big dps upgrade, 80 intel which puts it 20intel under leatherworking and 113,3 under tailoring, nor is it a good money maker, the only consivable reason i can see for taking this is if there is no other enchanter in your raid which can turn usless purples into shards.

Forgot about jewelcrafting, it provides 81intell bonus, is a great profession for earning gold and gives you access to a trinket that is second bis for affliction and demonology and third bis for destruction.

[Belize]

Its for the Eng helms, Eng gems and wrist enchant and Ench personal enchants

[Demonidze]

for casters... tailoring and engi gives best int/sec boost. also engi gives like people allready said some utility, which can be quite usefull.

[Nicola]

engineer is nice but its tools are not reliable. If u get a failure on the wrong moment, u can die and wipe the raid.

[Alianthos]

engineer is nice but its tools are not reliable. If u get a failure on the wrong moment, u can die and wipe the raid.

This. And its the reason why i will never get engineering. Seriously we already experienced many wipes due to engineering failures. Really annoying.

[Hellfury]

This. And its the reason why i will never get engineering. Seriously we already experienced many wipes due to engineering failures. Really annoying.

Rocket boots arent ment to be used in raid now. But engy has the awsome head, and gloves on use thingy, the head may get to be a moot point in next tier but until then its awesomely good

Ppl forget about alchemist wich also brings to the table the +80int via flask and 2hours flask instead of 1 wich saves shitloads of gols since flasks are so expensive atm, also next patch a awsome trinket.

[Mortanix]

Slight sidenote on the leatherworking they're bringing in int, str and err i think its agil enchants for wrists which will make leatherworkings int bonus the same as enchantings, i'd reroll my enchanting to engineering if i hadn't spent so long with it and the upgrade seems small at best for the hassle.

[Shadowstrike]

atm for locks the best 2 professions (based on EJ posts) are tailoring and enginnering with all other profs netting about 80int each (including JC and ench). One exception is leatherworking which provides an average of 100 int with the bracer enchant

the good thing with engi is that you can customize the head with w/e stats you wish (which means no reforge. Full bonus for all those stats) and all the goodness of engineering (boots,back etc).

Tailoring apart from the back enchant can save you a lot of gold with the leg enchants. you also make gold by selling goodies..

LW... i dont approve.. in my head i cant see it fit with a caster and is in general somewhat useless in the long run (you cant craft armors for yourself or smt like that).

[Tinkerspell]

atm for locks the best 2 professions (based on EJ posts) are tailoring and enginnering with all other profs netting about 80int each (including JC and ench). One exception is leatherworking which provides an average of 100 int with the bracer enchant

the good thing with engi is that you can customize the head with w/e stats you wish (which means no reforge. Full bonus for all those stats) and all the goodness of engineering (boots,back etc).

Tailoring apart from the back enchant can save you a lot of gold with the leg enchants. you also make gold by selling goodies..

LW... i dont approve.. in my head i cant see it fit with a caster and is in general somewhat useless in the long run (you cant craft armors for yourself or smt like that).

Yar, engy/tailor is apparently biggest pve dps increase, plus engy is totally fun.

[Shadowstrike]

@tinkerspell: I, myself, have tailoring and enchanting. That's mainly coz i had ench in vanilla (holy cupcakes uldaman runs to level it..) and have lots of memories from it. The same goes for tailoring.. i must have been the only tailor making money since level 8 ( i was shouting at brill "making low level sets for 30 silver) or smt like that xD ). I always liked engi though. my alt haz it. it is indeed very fun. i also like the % for failure.. i've never wiped coz of it coz my alt doesn't raid xD

But no, in all seriousness if you are not looking for hardcore raiding i'd say do w/e it feels best to you. Still, all the info you need can be found in the above post

[Velocet]

enchanting: i don't understand why people are saying it's one of the best professions from a spreadsheet dps pov. 80 intellect bonus is the same as the majority of professions.
jc: it's 81 int bonus so 1 more than enchanting, alchemy, bs etc. however according to simcraft the trinket is bis along with volcano for afflliction and demonology and 2nd bis after heroic theralions mirror for destruction.
leatherworking: nice intellect on wrists alternative to haste. although in 4.0.6 this will become an average 80 intellect profession with the introduction of 50 intellect on wrists.
engineering: assuming synapse springs are used on cooldown, averages to 96 intellect. helm is a nice starter into raiding and i don't plan to replace mine until 372 (probably heroic tier since 4p is alright in 4.06)
tailoring: assuming there's no long gaps in the middle of fights to devalue the intellect proc of the cloak enchant its worth around 140 intellect iirc as a profession bonus.

i started off with alchemy and engineering at the beginning of the expansion. swapped my alchemy for tailoring since it was a clear winner for me. was tempted by JC for the trinket but decided ill just wait for theralions hc and tailoring will work out best in the long run.

edit: forgot to mention engineering belt tinkers. in raids i wouldn't advise using nitro boosts. the shield i've found amazing (i haven't had the taunt side effect occur in a raid encounter and afaik you can't be crit by boss spells so that side effect isn't a problem either)

[Tinkerspell]

@tinkerspell: I, myself, have tailoring and enchanting. That's mainly coz i had ench in vanilla (holy cupcakes uldaman runs to level it..) and have lots of memories from it. The same goes for tailoring.. i must have been the only tailor making money since level 8 ( i was shouting at brill "making low level sets for 30 silver) or smt like that xD ). I always liked engi though. my alt haz it. it is indeed very fun. i also like the % for failure.. i've never wiped coz of it coz my alt doesn't raid xD

Yeah I was tailor/enchanter for a while, I dropped enchanting for engy and never looked back!

[blablablablablabla]

atm for locks the best 2 professions (based on EJ posts) are tailoring and enginnering with all other profs netting about 80int each (including JC and ench). One exception is leatherworking which provides an average of 100 int with the bracer enchant

the good thing with engi is that you can customize the head with w/e stats you wish (which means no reforge. Full bonus for all those stats) and all the goodness of engineering (boots,back etc).

Tailoring apart from the back enchant can save you a lot of gold with the leg enchants. you also make gold by selling goodies..

LW... i dont approve.. in my head i cant see it fit with a caster and is in general somewhat useless in the long run (you cant craft armors for yourself or smt like that).

This simply is not true, leathwroking will give you a bigger bonus then engineering will. Leatherworking gives 100intell bonus over the normal wrist enchant and engineering gives 96 intell bonus. Tailoring part is true tho