Outhealed by a pally - Magmaw

[ackis]

I'm a bit late to the cata raiding game. This was my second magmaw kill:

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/z...?s=6158&e=6578

My current armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...crusade/ackis/

Now on magmaw I'm raid healing. I should be destroying the pally's on healing but I didn't. I'm just after some advice on what I'm doing wrong.

Regarding my spec, I have the shadowfiend talents because I've been having mana regen issues.

[Deleted]

i did magmar recently, and the pala healer there (who was healing the tank) did 11K hps. while me on the raid (together with a priest) did combined like 12K.. which is lower.

[Deleted]

Paladins can raidheal too, one of their AoE-Heals can be used while running and heals people that are near the paladin - ideal circumstances on Magmaw.

Your group should consider doing that fight with two healers instead of three.

[Asrialol]

Now on magmaw I'm raid healing. I should be destroying the pally's on healing but I didn't. I'm just after some advice on what I'm doing wrong.

This has to be a troll.. Please god let this be a troll..

First of all, you think you're doing something wrong because the Paladin got 500 hps more than you? You think just because he is assigned to tanks, it means he will heal low / not heal raid? Look at what spell is nr3 on his healing spells. Holy Radiance. The only reason he topped the meter is because Holy Radiance carried him.

Also, do your guild a favor and stop all the care about healing meters.

[ackis]

I should also clarify. My concern isn't "why aren't I #1?" instead it's "everything I've been told says I should be super high on that fight compared to the pally's, what am I doing wrong?"

---------- Post added 2011-02-02 at 03:15 PM ----------

This has to be a troll.. Please god let this be a troll..

Actually it's not.

[Deleted]

Do you kill the boss? is everyone alive in the end? then you are doing allright...

[ackis]

Do you kill the boss? is everyone alive in the end? then you are doing allright...

Trying to find out what I can do better.

[Cope]

The only person that died was the tank. The holy pally should be asking what he did wrong.

[Jojop69]

Also look at overheals. Ive healed that fight as a pally and i can say its quite easy to rape the meters. In fact I permanently raid heal that fight for this particular reason. With beacon on the tank, holy radiance, Light of Dawn, in 346 gear i can easily reach 12-15k hps, but my over heals are above 20%. Mainly this is because of beacon and the talent that heals myself when i heal an ally. With everyone stacking up as well, just boosts those numbers.

Also Pallies being the most mana efficient of the healers atm can really go all out during this fight, because of the long regen phase. Hitting divine plea, and meleeing/judging for that 30 seconds while the head is impaled can return upwards of 60% mana.

All in all, the pally will beat you on this fight no doubts. Other fights like Omnitron, they will be much less effective because of the lack of stacking up. Also, like someone else stated, dont watch the meters too closely, if your healing targets didnt die,and you killed the boss, who really cares in the end right? Its kind of like the DPS vs Dmg Done argument all over again, except with healing.


Edit: reread your post, as far as many goes set up a Hymn/innervate/mana tide rotation. It will help alot. I.e. if you have a bear tank, have him hit someone with an innervate during impale phase. Remember that SPriests have hymn too! Also i believe that the Fiend gives you more mana for more dmg it deals correct? popping him during an impale phase will guarantee you DOUBLE the amount of mana you would get otherwise, try and save him for these parts.

[zingbat]

Trying to find out what I can do better.

Get the heal off before the pally? Other then that... nothing??

Maybe get rid of the paladin for a weaker paladin who sucks more so you do better??

Not sure really

[Venara]

Well the only thing that I noticed is your Chakra: Sanctuary uptime, it's only 72.3%. The only time where this should possibly run out is in regen phases were Magmaw is stunned. However, that shouldn't be 27.7% of the time it takes to kill the boss. You should try to keep it up as much as possible as you will lose the AoE heal buff when it does run out, which will definitely decrease your overall HPS.

*edit* I also noticed you use Renew a lot. That should be the reason you're having mana issues. Renew is not very mana efficient at the moment, which is why most people skip the renew talents and only keep it rolling on the tank in Chakra: Serenity. You should try avoiding Renew and casting more PoHs and CoHs.

However, as said before, meters don't really matter if the boss dies.

[joshh]

when trying to figure out if i did what i was supposed to as a healer, i dont compare healing output, i look at hot uptimes (since im a druid) buffs cast to see if im using my cds at the correct times and monitoring over heal along with damage taken. If my hots have a high uptime, my cds where used at appropriate/correct times, overheal was low, and i took little damage then i did everything right. That usually doesn't happen and i always know what i need to fix next week.

[ackis]

During the fight I'm not watching healing metre's this is a post-raid analysis. Previously I've been told that I should "rape the metre's" on this fight, so I came here looking for advice on what I was doing wrong. But the responses are quite enlightening.

[Wonderboy]

Holy paladins were given new toys this expansion. Light of Dawn + Holy Radiance are AoE healing abilities, and as you have found out are quite potent. We run with 2 holy paladins and a priest, the priest is often outhealed.

[Venara]

Edited my post to include my findings about Renew usage.

[Tricksterjim]

Pallies are currently the best overall healers. I have yet to see a pug trying to form with out LFM need pally healer.

[ackis]

Edited my post to include my findings about Renew usage.

Thanks for the analysis.

For fights like omnitron, I assume I will be using more renews there (people are spread out more, PoH/CoH is less effective then?)

Chakra is something I want to work on, I'm still not comfortable with the mechanics of it (however in 4.0.6 my issues will be alleviated).

[Harith]

i think paladins are a bit to powerfull atm just that holy power that makes there mana savings a bit to high

[Deleted]

you'll probably find when you get more gear youll heal better too. on our first magmaw kill, i was top (pala healer here), by a good 1.5k or so HPS. Now me and the priest are nearly fully epicced he's owning it, he usually ends up with atleast 15k hps overall on the tougher fights, where as im about 13k. He just seems to spam PoH though, along with a few spells like mending and CoH.

[Oneirophobia]

I'm just after some advice on what I'm doing wrong.

You didn't role a paladin, thats what. :c
We are, just like in wrath, the strongest healers (unlike in wrath, however, we're not the strongest dps and tanks anymore qq). It won't be as noticable in 4.0.6 if the slated changes go through.