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Its not rng. If it was then my guild has been very lucky. We've never ever had either of our tanks die due to a "tripple strike". The only non controllable rng part is the time between feuds imo.Originally Posted by Raphtheone
I've died plenty of times to Chimaeron nestling in an autoswing inbetween the already fast double strike (read: 3 attacks in <1 sec, Ardent Defender doesn't even save me from it). I don't think it's a bug, just unintentional. Until they fix the autoswing to reset a like 2 sec before Double Strike (or something), it's simply part of the huge RNG aspect of the PvE they call Heroic Modes.
I should mention. Our tanks taunt by animation. You're prob just taunting too early.
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2011-03-03, 11:42 AM #41Deleted
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2011-03-03, 11:58 AM #42Grunt
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Originally Posted by Tingol
Your Tank is having 3 stacks of Break... during Feud... of course he eats a shitton of dmg and dies. This is completly working as intended.
It seems you are trying to let one tank tank all the Feuds, well that won't work. The tank that tanks during the first Feud has to keep tanking untill the next one so the break stacks on the second tank can reset so that he can tank the second Feud.
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2011-03-03, 12:06 PM #43Stood in the Fire
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We struggled with this for a bit but then we made just a tiny modification in our tactic and it brought us into P2.
We used 2 tanks and 1 plate DPS. The plate DPS tanks the boss during the normal phase with one of the tanks taunting off for DA.
When we enter Feud that tank will tank the boss. He will also take the DA. This can be tough to heal BUT it is easier to heal then healing 2 tanks just to have one taunting off for the Feud's DA, I can assure you. You have to have your tanks use a cooldown for the DA during Feud (we make our tanks use only a small cooldown, which we support with DS on 1st, and bubble+HoSac on 2nd and 3rd)
The tank can still die when entering to Feud: sometimes the first melee will land in only 2 seconds after the bot goes off and it can hit for more than 100k - RNG like that will probably kill your tank, not much to do about it, you don't wanna use the cooldowns on entering Feud but rather on the DA that's coming up shortly.
In normal phase we did encounter DA killing our tank every now and then, though not on the recent tries. Those were DA which consisted twice a 190k hit, which would kill a pretty well geared tank even when topped off completely. No, the tank did not have Break, I know, I checked the logs for a day.Last edited by Valamivan; 2011-03-03 at 12:11 PM.
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2011-03-03, 03:38 PM #44Deleted
We've struggled for 1½ night on this boss on 25 man Heroic though pushing him below 10% a few times on the first night. On our first night of attempts, tank gibs weren't an issue but on our second night, we suffered from serious tank-deaths during Feud-phases, which led us to think that we've been doing the fight entirely wrong. We obviously had a DPS ret pally tank him to soak break-stacks during non-feud phases and then had 2 actual tanks switch between Feuds.
On our first night we had tank1 taking the entire Feud-phase, which meant the first melee-hit and also the following double attack and then had tank2 take an entire Feud-phase aswell. This worked pretty well and we pushed Chimaeron below 10% a couple of times (random deaths during last Feud resulted in not enough DPS).
But all of a sudden this tactic didn't work. On our second night we suffered from so many tank-oneshots it was completely overwhelming and piss' annoying so we decided to switch tactic:
On our second night we had tank1 take the first melee hit in Feud phase and then we had tank2 taunt to take the Double Attack. This also seemed to work pretty well but I can't decide which of the tactics is the most viable one.
Could anyone elaborate on this and post what tactic is probably the most viable one?
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Still looking for an answer for this.
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2011-05-18, 12:59 AM #45Field Marshal
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So after reading all this, has anyone done this fight with out a pally or dk? our 10 man raid comp is currently prot warrior, bear tank, holy/disc preist, resto druid n resto shaman. n we run no pallys. Atm we are currently having a fury warrior tank reg hits, I will tank double hits n first fued, blow CD's, then the bear tank will take doubles n 2nd fued. And that is about as far as we get. I guess my question is after i take the first fued shud i start to take breaks till fury warrior gets there stacks off em? Thanks everyone
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2011-05-18, 01:55 AM #46Bloodsail Admiral
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No, the fury warrior's break stacks do not matter as he is never getting hit except when the buff is up, which is the whole reason a dps can do it. So basically, he will tank breaks while you take double attacks, then you tank first feud. When its over warrior again takes breaks while the bear takes doubles and the 2nd feud. After that you should hopefully have your breaks reset, so it goes back to the first, fury warrior tanking breaks and you tanking doubles + feud. Rinse, repeat. Originally Posted by Chogrin
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2011-05-18, 07:28 AM #47Warchief
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Standard setup is 3tank, you might not pull this off on 10man, but it's essentially:
Break tank
Feud tank
double attack tank.
Your break tank is any plate DPS, DK or ret paladin preferred (as their abilities aren't limited by stance). This guy tanks him when bile-o-tron is active. This guy literally doesn't have to do shit but taunt after double attack/system failure and hit the boss. Someone has to heal him to 10k every 4 seconds. Double attack tank taunts off him for double attacks. A DK tank is preferred here since they can stack blood shield going in. Your Feud tank is anyone, he taunts when system failure happens. He tanks throughout system failure with cooldowns up, must be topped off immediately. Double attack tank taunts off every double during system failure, using cooldowns. Once bile-o-tron comes back online, your break tank gets it back and tanks to the next system failure, switching for double attack. Your feud tank should lose his break during this time.
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2011-05-18, 09:28 AM #48Dreadlord
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Our prot pally lately just reforged most of the mastery to pure avoid stats, thus its only 4-5 %. But cause of this now most of times he evades the mysterious doubble hits..
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2011-05-18, 09:52 AM #49High Overlord
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Originally Posted by Chogrin
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2011-05-18, 10:48 AM #50Immortal
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This fight is a little RNG sometimes, i've had it on our last kill where I popped all cds and lived for an eternity in p2 when I died the offtank had all his cds popped and ready and he got insta gibbed <3.
Its a wierd one, as suggested rotate your tanks properly. 1st tank takes break stacks offtank taunts for doubles. when first massacre comes the offtank needs to be ready incase fued comes along (also standing out of the raid group) using cds to survive through this.
when the bileotrons backup the 1st tank should not tank double attacks until the stacks fall off as you risk taking far too much damage and dieing from a double. when you rotate your cds properly you should be able rotate the tanks fine.
We currently run with a DK/Pally and sometimes we have our feral druid.
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2011-05-18, 11:37 AM #51Bloodsail Admiral
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How the hell is he hitting you for those ammounts? Originally Posted by Tingol
Im running a 10man raid and we only use 1 tank during feud. With Shield Wall + Shield Block or Last Stand + Shield Block i get hit for a lot less during feud's.
Im at 11% dodge, 15% parry, 53% block.Money talks, bullshit walks..
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2011-05-18, 12:05 PM #52High Overlord
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Originally Posted by Guyv3r
mate thst post is 3 moths+ old... we downed him back then. it was some strange thing happening that night
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2011-05-18, 02:35 PM #53Field Marshal
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I see two pallies in that video =P. I get that that it can be done with a fury warrior so thank you for vid. But I'm assuming the fight is a bit harder with out the Lay on hands, and other CD's available threw raiding with a paladin or two. Originally Posted by Tingol
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2011-05-18, 03:03 PM #54High Overlord
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Originally Posted by Chogrin
np. Actually one of those pallys is in half blue gear... our main healer (priest) couldnt make it that night
.... priest's guardian spirit is as good as lay on hands. when i think about it, we havent used lay on hands on that kill a single time not 100% sure about that...
As for fury warr tanking... actually its awesome. you actually do more dps when tanking (even with switching to def stance for taunt as i do it) then just standing behind and dpsig, cause of extra rage that you get... I'm personnaly ranked no10 on 10 man heroic chimaeron
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