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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Tlalocan View Post
    How long has it taken for them to realise that cooldowns are important and Shamans lack them? Better late than never but jeez.. come on guys.

    The purification buff reeks of laziness but I cant really complain.

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  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Hypernetic View Post
    Eh fair enough, but who wants to do math right now? I volunteer you!
    Well purification is technically getting a 150% buff. Dunno how much % healing this will add to our overall throughput, though.

  3. #23
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    The spells affected by Purification will be doing 125/110 = 13.6% more healing, unless I'm mistaken.

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    Let me run through the talents real quick and I can get you some numbers. You have to account for all healing modifiers.
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    According to my napkin math (and it really is since out at lunch currently), this will be a 13.6% buff to our current heals. That is figured by 125/110 = 1.136. Pretty nice imo.

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  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Radux View Post
    Well purification is technically getting a 150% buff. Dunno how much % healing this will add to our overall throughput, though.

    that would realy depend on your int healing powere ect it will vary fro shammy to shammy

    till we get a set of practic numbers u cant give a definity

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Radux View Post
    Cannot find this blue post as of this second using the blue tracker. Will update if it's true or not.

    Update! (screw it I'm linking the entire thing)
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Since the release of patch 4.0.6, we’ve been keeping an eye on healers and how they are performing and are currently in the process of making some additional adjustments.

    Priests

    The cost of Power Word: Shield is being increased by 33%. While we wanted Discipline priests to be able to utilize this spell more often and with better results, we also did not want it to be the main spell (and often the only spell) used while in groups. We don’t find this to be a particularly compelling playstyle and have found that it encourages players to avoid using other spells such as Penance. We believe that using a shield in a tight moment is totally appropriate, but we don’t want it to be incredibly efficient to do so with more frequency than that.

    We realize that by making Power Word: Shield slightly more expensive for Discipline priests to cast that it might cause Holy priests to avoid using it. To that end, we are adding mana savings into the Body and Soul talent. The tooltip will not reflect this change until a future patch, however. Ideally, Holy priests should not notice much of a change to the Power Word: Shield costs.

    Shaman

    We are also applying a hotfix for Purification for the Restoration shaman passive from 10% to 25%. We think that shaman healing per second is not as competitive with other healers and while we hoped to bring down Holy priest and Holy paladins (in particular) in 4.0.6, which we did, shaman still appear to be behind. In this case, it is simply easier to buff Restoration shaman rather than nerf everyone else or rebalance the encounters.

    In Addition- Restoration Druids and Restoration Shaman

    We agree with the sentiment among some players that Restoration druids and Restoration shaman are lacking in the healing cooldown department. The shaman buff and Power Word: Shield adjustment above should bring all healers reasonably close in terms of throughput. The decision on who to bring then might end up being dictated by the strong cooldowns offered by paladins or priests. This isn’t the kind of thing we can address via a hotfix, but it is something we are looking at for the next major content patch.

    As always, we appreciate your continued constructive feedback and will do our best to keep you informed of ongoing developments.



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  8. #28
    Actually you can predict how much of a buff this will be without Int or Healing Spell Power or anything like that. That's why we use base modifiers.

  9. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypernetic View Post
    They can't hotfix in new spells, so I'm not sure what else you expected besides number tweaks.
    To be honest with you, it's the way that they are bringing it in that I am annoyed with.

    All the way through beta people were saying resto shamans were low in HPS, very few changes throughout the beta process. (as well as all the complaints about lacking healing cooldowns)
    All the way through 4.0.3 people were saying shamans were really low, we got no feedback (while the other healing classes got a load of changes and feedback)
    in 4.0.6 we got VERY modest healing buffs that were nowhere near enough and were clearly never going to be near enough and its taken them until AFTER the patch was brought in to fully acknowledge the problem. They then brought in the easiest possible fix to the specialisation.

    Sorry if I'm too cynical about how Blizzard are treating this class, but come on... how long would Paladins have been waiting if their performance was as low as ours?

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Tlalocan View Post
    To be honest with you, it's the way that they are bringing it in that I am annoyed with.

    All the way through beta people were saying resto shamans were low in HPS, very few changes throughout the beta process. (as well as all the complaints about lacking healing cooldowns)
    All the way through 4.0.3 people were saying shamans were really low, we got no feedback (while the other healing classes got a load of changes and feedback)
    in 4.0.6 we got VERY modest healing buffs that were nowhere near enough and were clearly never going to be near enough and its taken them until AFTER the patch was brought in to fully acknowledge the problem. They then brought in the easiest possible fix to the specialisation.

    Sorry if I'm too cynical about how Blizzard are treating this class, but come on... how long would Paladins have been waiting if their performance was as low as ours?
    I agree, Blizz likes to keep us shamans at arms length, but it's simply due to the fact that MORE people play pallies and priests and such than shamans--that's just the way the cookie crumbles.
    I'm actually scared this buff is TOO good, then we'll get knee-jerked back down. I take buffs with every damn grain of salt I can find.
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  11. #31
    Seriously, panem et circenses.

    They will hotfix Purification, it will get OP probably (10% to 25%? everyone else will QQ about it, i think so), and then they will nerf again and realize we don't need ONLY higher numbers, but the already stated Cooldown and a rework on CH/HR.

    But yeah, I liked it. However, I think it's a band-aid and not a cicatrization.

  12. #32
    Although you can calculate how much more healing we'll be doing per spell, it's tougher to figure out the overall impact.

    Since our heals do more, we'll wind up having to cast less spells, and use cheaper spells at that. IE, we won't have to break out the big stuff quite as often. This means we'll also be saving mana, which lets us keep going longer.

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  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Tlalocan View Post
    To be honest with you, it's the way that they are bringing it in that I am annoyed with.

    All the way through beta people were saying resto shamans were low in HPS, very few changes throughout the beta process. (as well as all the complaints about lacking healing cooldowns)
    All the way through 4.0.3 people were saying shamans were really low, we got no feedback (while the other healing classes got a load of changes and feedback)
    in 4.0.6 we got VERY modest healing buffs that were nowhere near enough and were clearly never going to be near enough and its taken them until AFTER the patch was brought in to fully acknowledge the problem. They then brought in the easiest possible fix to the specialisation.

    Sorry if I'm too cynical about how Blizzard are treating this class, but come on... how long would Paladins have been waiting if their performance was as low as ours?
    I'm not bitter about it, but I do see the cruel irony in a 13.6% increase having to be done in a HOTFIX...

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by dmiasek View Post
    Although you can calculate how much more healing we'll be doing per spell, it's tougher to figure out the overall impact.

    Since our heals do more, we'll wind up having to cast less spells, and use cheaper spells at that. IE, we won't have to break out the big stuff quite as often. This means we'll also be saving mana, which lets us keep going longer.
    Simca and I are working on the math based on some WoL's so we can use the spell break down on a Magmaw type fight. Bear with us for a while.

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    I am thoroughly excited for this!

    I mean, although I managed to hit a 69k Greater Healing wave crit last night (thanks to Mandala proc + Unleash Elements), I still found our heals to be lacking behind the other specs, mainly Holy Priests and Paladin. At least now we can get closer to their level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoopsa View Post
    I'm not bitter about it, but I do see the cruel irony in a 13.6% increase having to be done in a HOTFIX...
    As they said in the blue post, they expected the nerf to Holy priests and paladins to bring them further down. That didn't work as well as they hoped, they're worried about nerfing those specs TOO much, and monkeying with raid mechanics is rather complicated. So they're just buffing us in exactly the way they designed the new Mastery and talent specializations to allow for.

    Seriously, people need to stop complaining and bitching about buffs like this. Blizzard is hearing us, and is making changes to improve the class. Whining that it wasn't done yesterday, or psychically before there was any real info that there was a problem, is ridiculous.


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    This is probably the lames way to buff healing they could have come up with... Disappointing.

    I guess shamans needed some help but not like this, this is just... yea, lame.

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    /sigh

    It is a buff and there are more complaints than there are cheers of joy. This is a buff across the board. It's not 1 spell. It's all of them. Seriously this is an improvement. If you can't see that then go away.

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