2 healing cho

[Antny]

So my guild is 9/12 and decided to go to cho gall next - we were trying to 3 heal it but we found that we don't have high enough dps (big adds - are dying just in the nick of time before the fester blood - and we're getting our 4th set of festers well before he's at 25%) so I was reading strategies and a lot of people are 2 healing it. It seems the tanks are taking a lot of damage and it almost seems if we need 3 healers - so say everyone avoids all avoidable dmg + corruption how viable is 2 healers? Obviously it works because lots of people are doing it but is the tank damage managable without the healers going oom right away? (pending all worships get out immediately)

[Maes]

My guild just killed him for the first time last night, we 2 healed it for the same reasons your saying. Took a while for the healers to get the rhythm, but once they got it down he dropped without too many problems. We has a Hpally/Dpriest. Dk/War tank.

[Jaerin]

I don't know about the particular situation, but in general when you go from 3 healers to 2 healers don't you usually drop a raid healer not a tank healer?

I guess usually I see a 3 healer setup as 1 MT healer with 2 raid healers that may occasionally throw a heal the tanks way for example beacon. Perhaps you're assuming your raid can clean up their avoidable damage too much?

[Antny]

What is your particular healing and tank setup? We dropped a healer with my prot paladin going full time seal of insight and using WoG on active tank and HoR on cooldown for instance. Dropping a healer in this fight is hard but if someone else can assist healing while adequately doing their task, you should go for it.

Healers - Holy Pally, Resto Sham (has ele spec), Resto Druid (has boomkin spec)
Tanks - Prot Warrior (myself), Feral Druid

[Deleted]

We've been using 2 tanks and 3 healers since the first kill.

Our first attemps was the same as yours, we didnt have enough dps to down him. But on our second raid night we managed to get him down, and we're still getting him down every week with the same setup. I guess your DPS have to push their limits.

It is indeed possible to let one healer go and get one more dps instead, but your healers have to be ready to do some hardcore healing.

EDIT: Our setup is Hpaladin, Rshaman and Hpriest with Warrior Tank (me) and DK tank(tanking the adds).

[Deleted]

He's also very killable if you're only just beating the Fester countdown - we actually do that every time we kill him

So long as you have the aoe to bring down the adds before they get to him (kite the boss towards the throne if the slime gets too close) then you're still golden. Just watch the corruption. That's the biggest killer on him.

Good luck.

[dyalad]

The moment that chogall becomes more healing intensive on us is when the add comes up. We usually split; 1 healer stays on the tank and the other one follows the add tank and the rest of the raid. At that moment, Choga'll tank/tank healer use defensive cooldowns to ease it up. If we follow the assumption that people avoid the avoidable (like you stated), then your healers should have at least 50% mana for the next phase.

Not having replenishment could be an issue, depends on your dps setup.

[Antny]

Well for one thing both your resto healers can drop some healing while switched to their dps spec and be very effective. Healing Rain on every shadow order by the elemental shaman or a tranquility by the moonking can both save a lot of mana for the two healers. As for the tanks, how do you tank him? Does prot warrior start and pick up all adds (switching when fury is cast)? If so then while the prot warrior is tanking cho, the feral has nothing to do and could do some respectable offhealing.

Two healing this fight is about preserving healer mana. When we went from 5 dps to 6 we started pushing p2 right when or even slightly before he summoned the 4th add; this means we could have afforded a dps slacking a bit more to offheal and still avoid the 4th fester. Find your balance.

The druid usually starts with cho'gall and grabs the adds due to his 10 second interupt (while a warriors interupt is 12 secs). We may have to try that though, could have the feral druid tranquility at this time - thank you.

[Chuchuu]

Our guild 5 healed it on 25 man, which is sort of similar, same ratio of healers at least. We normally do it with six but our shadow priest who off heals forgot to switch and we just ended up killing it anyways. Barely though, it was a close call.

In the end it just depends on how much corruption your raid has when phase 2 hits though. If you can manage to stay out of enough stuff you will kill him easily.

[Xcuse]

If worship is handled correctly, tank damage is never really high.

The tanks should be using their Minor cooldowns to cover the "flame fists" and their other tanking cooldowns to cover the bits of left-over time of the Fury of Cho'gall debuff when they taunt.

The tanks should be like:
First tank pulls
Cho'gall gets flame fists -> First tank Minor Cooldown
Fury of Cho'gall -> Off-tank taunts
Cho'gall gets flame fists -> Off-tank Minor Cooldown
Fury of Cho'gall -> First tank taunts but still has Fury of Cho'gall on him for 8-10 seconds. First tank one of the other tanking cooldowns.
and so on.

Basically they should have a cooldown for each one of the flame fists / furys (when they taunt)

[Ynna]

I think two-healing it is easier than 3-healing it.
We had massive problems when 3-healing and had it on the second try we 2-healed it.

[Deleted]

You can solo tank the encounter and keep the 3 healers.

[Pappahealar]

Have a good tank healer for the tank that tanks Cho'gall and a raid healer, that also heals the tank that kites the adds away.

That's how I did it. I was the raid healer as a resto shaman, and we usually had a pala to tank heal, or a druid can be viable aswell.
3-healing it is only needed if you have very good DPS to make p2 easier. But 2 healing is still way easier to accomplish.

[Awazah]

We've always done 2 tanks / 2 healers. (Disc/Hpal)

Tanks trade off for fury of cho'gall, use tanking timers for every red phase. Never had a problem, actually thought the fight was abit too easy :/

[vindicatorx]

My guild just killed him for the first time last night, we 2 healed it for the same reasons your saying. Took a while for the healers to get the rhythm, but once they got it down he dropped without too many problems. We has a Hpally/Dpriest. Dk/War tank.

also what we did this week except had issues on people getting kicked as our rougue had connection issues. I went enhancement for the fight and easily got him to phase 2 too much corruption on the blood killers made it tough though

[Belbrog]

With a Hpala and a non shaman second healer it's doable. On a side note, DPS should not be a problem if u tight up our movement.

[Deleted]

my guild always does it with 2 healers too (holy pala and resto druid), healing is pretty easy with 2, the only thing that can be a bit annoying if the healer that ran along with the add-tank gets like MC'ed halfway across the room, but a healer/ tank cd can easily fix that

[Dorfie]

We 2 Heal with a Holy Pally and a Priest (me). I have killed it twice as Holy and once as Disc. Both times I healed the off tank, raid and helped on the main tank. The Cho'gall tank gets hit extremely hard if your worship interrupts aren't acceptable. Our Moonkin was spamming innervates on our Holy Pally while I was going into phase 2 with 70%+ mana with all cooldowns up. Phase 2 I just go nuts on the AoE healing. If you 2 heal you really need to keep the tanks up while smartly conserving your mana on the raid.

[Deleted]

With a Hpala and a non shaman second healer it's doable. On a side note, DPS should not be a problem if u tight up our movement.

I've 2 healed it (I'm hpala) with a holy priest and with a resto sham (and I'm sure with druid would be no problem either) without any problems. I much prefer it to going with 3 healers and getting the 4th big add and wave of 2 small adds, with the extra dps you'll get through the phase much quicker which generally means less opportunity for people to build up corruption. That said if nobody stands in crashes, depravity is always interrupted and small adds are controlled going with 3 healers isn't an issue (assuming your dps can push him to 25% before the 5th add becomes a problem).

Make sure the tank on cho when the big add is up uses cds for flame orders and the same goes for the healer staying with that tank (I usually have a tank cd first, then a Hand of Sac after if needed), also make sure that tank has some way to knock the healer out if they get worshipping (I find prot pala with Avenger's Shield works great for this) and you should be fine. Obviously the other healer follows the tank and raid with the big add. Healers will be hurting for mana towards the end, but you should have enough dps to finish the kill off before it becomes a problem.

[Deleted]

http://www worldoflogs com/reports/voytbriuw6wi1mb7/sum/healingDone/?s=5545&e=6002

Our first kill, 2 healed, much easier, first try at 10% then we killed at 4th if I'm not wrong.