Outgearing Al'Akir?

[Carpenters]

Our guild is a semi-casual 10M guild with 2 raid nights per week, and we started raiding like 2 months late so we are still 9/12 normal mode before last week. So last week, we decided to try Al'Akir instead of Chogall because ToFW looks much prettier (as the ladies in the raid said).

It turned out to be much easier than we thought. Of cause we wiped for a few hours before we down him, but every few tries we knew we are closer.

Then it comes to the last pull, and we got into P2, and we did really bad in stacking the debuff such that it never reached 3... When we start to get ready for another wipe, we are thrown up into the sky and P3 starts! And half of the raid died. The remaining 5 was 2 DPS, 1 tank (which is only 0.5 DPS in P3) and 2 healers. So we use the Head -> Chest -> Bottom -> Waist -> Head strat and 5 maned P3 with almost no stress and 2mins left in the enrage timer.

With these being said, I think we did a really bad job in this boss fight, no feedback stacking in P2, and only half raid in P3, but we were still able to kill this one... Does this mean we basically out-geared this guy? Most ppl in our raid are like only 75% 359 now, so it just hard to believe that a final boss in a raid can be out-geared so easily.


MOD EDIT: Do not turn this into a 10s vs 25s. This is not what the topic is about.

[Slickx]

its normal so ofcourse its going to be easy.

[Sanctioned]

Brains usually beats out brawn. I strongly stress the usually. But on the subject I really think this fight would take awhile before it can actually be "outgeared". It's a pretty unforgiving fight, but still, norms in this game can get shot down pretty quickly sometimes.

[XyroN]

Its not outgearing, he's just super easy by nature.

[BigRay]

The fight itself is very forgiving in terms of gear. The mechanics are what people seem to struggle on. Making it through phase 2 without keeping up more than 2 stacks at a time, means you either have really good healers or really good dps. If you guys are struggling with keeping stacks up, consider waiting for 3+ adds to go up, and at that point, assign a dps to help start killing them one by one.

As far as phase 3, preventing deaths is as easy as making sure everyone knows where to stack so that healers aren't out of range of half your raid. Also people that get the lightning debuff (probably not the correct term) need to immediately move out of the group, or else the raid will take massive damage.

But yeah, I mean it's your first kill so it not being clean is quite normal. With experience the fight should be quite trivial.

[Herecius]

Al'akir simply isn't all that tough. The final phase is similar to Malygos in that you can successfully kill it with the majority of your raid dead when going into it, not because you're flying around. He's most definitely the easiest of the final bosses, except for Cho'gall with an AoE-heavy group.

[Magicochon]

for 2 days raiding night 9/12 isn't bad at all (compared to what most people can do).
I don't think u can really outgaer the fight. p3 is all about managing the cloud, if u reach p3, spread and don't take useless damage with cloud... as u said u could do it until the enrage timer.
Try it in hardmode now :P if u can pass the p1 without a single death u did 90% of the progression.

[Deleted]

As far as Alakir goes, P1 is harder than P2 which is harder than P3, so even tho some people died near p2 to p3, you'd done the hard work.

Gz on the kill .

[Deleted]

Al'akir was quite surprising for us too. We wiped on it relatively much, but eventually we noticed you didn't ACTUALLY have to have the stacks go realy high to pass to p3 with everyone alive. Sure, I can usually handle the adds so that there's a huge damage increase, but sometimes it's at 3-4 at most and it still doesn't seem to make or break it. I've done 8 stacks, but now it feels a bit pointless.

Having two paladin healers makes it a bit easier though since they can remove acid rain stacks with bubble.

[coldfiredragon]

Its not outgearing, he's just super easy by nature.

On 10m, 25m much different story

[Emothianes]

On 10m, 25m much different story

Why does every thread about al'akir need this comment?

[Ciah]

Why does every thread about al'akir need this comment?

Because the difference is just that severe. People too comfortable in 10man need reminding :P

[phoenixbow]

Because the difference is just that severe. People too comfortable in 10man need reminding :P

No one who is seriously raiding 10m is all that "comfortable" considering how much more unforgiving the majority of 10m hard modes are than their 25m counterpart. Thankfully some recent tuning has brought some fights more in line, but it's still not like 10m hard modes are a walk in the park.

[Zxzz]

No one who is seriously raiding 10m is all that "comfortable" considering how much more unforgiving the majority of 10m hard modes are than their 25m counterpart. Thankfully some recent tuning has brought some fights more in line, but it's still not like 10m hard modes are a walk in the park.

I guess 25m raiders feel really bitter about getting the short end of the stick this expansion and they've got to make sure this injustice is dealt with swiftly.

Wait, did I do that wrong?

[Bliq]

The normal version is a pushover on both 10 & 25.

[Bishy]

It's normal, we killed him while our healers and ranged dps didn't even know wtf they need to do in p3...

[Seriss]

Al'akir's P3 is largely zergable if you don't screw up royally ^^
On normal mode anyway.

[cFortyfive]

Al'akir's P3 is largely zergable if you don't screw up royally ^^
On normal mode anyway.

heroic mode as well.
Well I'd say that al'akir is anyways one of the easiest bosses to outgear since both "dangerous" phases are largely depending on your ability to pull out damage. The shorter the first phase the lower the risk of somebody screwing up the windburst and the first phase is the hardest part of the encounter anyways.

[Deleted]

Why does every thread about al'akir need this comment?

Have you seen how big the platform is for 10man :O so much room, its like having a 10 story house and only 2 people staying there!

he is like lootship but 10man

[Saliz]

Because the difference is just that severe. People too comfortable in 10man need reminding :P

Except he is as big of a pushover in 25m as well?