PTR - 10k shadow bite on full resil targets

[Sombrero]

Yeah, thats what I just witnessed on PTR.
Fel hunters shadow bite is doing a flat NONCRIT damage of around 10k every 6 sec with full pvp gear on full pvp gear and all three dots up+coe. Is this working as intended?

If so, warlocks/healer 2s might actually be viable again, but I'm afraid it might be to much of a dmg buff for 3s because dps wise, this buff is something like an extra strong corr+haunt up (if pet is on target most of the time).
It will be absolutely practicable to put up a really really decent amount of pressure...didn't tought blizz would use the felhunter to buff affli dmg for like 20% lol...

[Deleted]

Oh cool, so we actually have an ability that hits for something even remotely similar to another class?

Let's take bets on how long before it get's nerfed.
My guess, about 2 days.

[tilatequila]

Yeah they want affliction locks to use felhunters, this is a band aid for the real problem with devour nerf...

[Craigadiddle]

being honest 10k NON crit on full pvp gear is too much

even warrior burst damage does not give them 10k non crit on full pvp gear
yeah... see where this is leading, it will get nerfed.

[kneeo]

Oh cool, so we actually have an ability that hits for something even remotely similar to another class?

Let's take bets on how long before it get's nerfed.
My guess, about 2 days.

They'll do what they usually do; Be fully aware of it for the entirety of the PTR, wait until it's released on live, and nerf it within 24 hours.

Warlocks are cool like that.

[smartAXE]

being honest 10k NON crit on full pvp gear is too much

even warrior burst damage does not give them 10k non crit on full pvp gear
yeah... see where this is leading, it will get nerfed.

id like to see these wet noodle weilding warriors you encounter

[James240]

Oh cool, so we actually have an ability that hits for something even remotely similar to another class?

Let's take bets on how long before it get's nerfed.
My guess, about 2 days.

2 days? it will be like 3.0 conflag hotfixed within 12hrs yet Warriors can be broken for months and nothing happens, retarded stuff.

[JackalopeSpam]

Oh cool, so we actually have an ability that hits for something even remotely similar to another class?

Let's take bets on how long before it get's nerfed.
My guess, about 2 days.

Considering the frequency of hits, none of them need to large numbers. IE, a bunch of little numbers still add to a sizable amount of damage.

[Seclorum]

Given the requirements to get the pet to hit like that it seems like a balanced design. Its not like,

A) Your going to be able to keep those effects up constantly due to dispells/immunes.

and

B) IF your pet is doing good damage like that then they just CC or focus down your pet. It even comes into melee for them! If you instant summon a new one they can just kill that too.

If a group is Pro enough to let you keep those dots up, and let you keep your felhunter on one person then you deserve to do some decent damage every 6 seconds.

Lets see 10k every 6 seconds against 100k hp gives a Time to Die of around 60 seconds. Combine that with around 5k per 3 seconds from all your dots and fillers gives around 30 seconds time to die. Grossly over simplified but still. 30 seconds of flat out damage to kill 1 guy? How many seconds does it take a warrior or rogue to kill a warlock?

[Drkblade]

id like to see these wet noodle weilding warriors you encounter

Hey man, have you been hit with a wet noodle? That shit hurts.

[bigsandwich732]

id like to see these wet noodle weilding warriors you encounter

I'm in full Vic aside from a ring and the belt along with 372 T2 weapon. All Str/Resil gems and my white hits and Mortal Strike noncrit are not 10k on a 3500k-ish resil target even with Collosus Smash up. I can MAYBE hit 10k noncrit if I have trinket popped/lambs stacked to 3 which takes 3 globals to do against a 3500k+ resil target but I never remember getting one.

[Gratlim]

being honest 10k NON crit on full pvp gear is too much

Wait what? I spam 12ks heartstrike and mortalstrike on resil targets in arena on my blood dk. Locks are broken and 10k is amazingly low.

[Deathwhite]

I'm in full Vic aside from a ring and the belt along with 372 T2 weapon. All Str/Resil gems and my white hits and Mortal Strike noncrit are not 10k on a 3500k-ish resil target even with Collosus Smash up. I can MAYBE hit 10k noncrit if I have trinket popped/lambs stacked to 3 which takes 3 globals to do against a 3500k+ resil target but I never remember getting one.

Bullshit!!

[bigsandwich732]

Bullshit!!

Noone here except me then plays in the 2400+ bracket where casters have 4000 (43% damage reduction) resil which is NORMAL at this level. Just cause you can't break 2200LOL you will never be faced with people with pure BIS gear doesn't mean you have to try to disprove me.

Warrior burst damage is all from crits. If we don't crit, we're worthless and do laughable damage.

[Craigadiddle]

I'm in full Vic aside from a ring and the belt along with 372 T2 weapon. All Str/Resil gems and my white hits and Mortal Strike noncrit are not 10k on a 3500k-ish resil target even with Collosus Smash up. I can MAYBE hit 10k noncrit if I have trinket popped/lambs stacked to 3 which takes 3 globals to do against a 3500k+ resil target but I never remember getting one.

I'm glad I am not the only one.

Sure warriors can burst around 18-20k crits, but 10k non crit is still ALOT
Maybe if you mean as fury, sure burst is much higher, but it got reduced by alot.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

Hey man, have you been hit with a wet noodle? That shit hurts.

I was gunna say, I have some serious pics of horrible wet noodle whip damage.

OT: 10k is not at all a lot. It's barely 10% of a Mage's health. It will still likely be nerfed, but it shouldnt be

[Deleted]

I've used my voidwalker on my lock since I started playing.. I just like the shield better than the silence / devour, as its usefull against everyone. But i guess I'll use the felhunter if this is going to happen.. Still think buffing our pet dmg, is a stupid way of making us do more dmg <.<

[Deleted]

This whole fiasco could easily be solved.

On top of the current PTR changes:
*Remove Soul Swap
*Make Shadow Embrace 1 Stack/self buff.
*FIX DISPEL SPAM OH GOD PLEASE(increase damage taken when dispelled to 25% of dispeller's HP[instead of changing it to a flat number, would prevent problems in the future]) that way they can risk dispelling if they abolutely must get the dot's/fear off of the target, but would prevent the idiotic mindset of 'DISPEL ALL THE DOTS NAOOOO' mentality most people have nowadays.

I've used my voidwalker on my lock since I started playing.. I just like the shield better than the silence / devour, as its usefull against everyone. But i guess I'll use the felhunter if this is going to happen.. Still think buffing our pet dmg, is a stupid way of making us do more dmg <.<

I don't want to sound like a tool, but do you realise that the shield is only absorbing around 9000damage. that's pretty much one white swing. Whilst this may be nice when 1v1'ing non-casters, the silence(in my personal opinion) is absolutely invaluable if timed right on a healer who you are attempting to kill.

[dotsown]

10k hits is perfectly acceptable when your dots do 2k a tick and are spam dispelled by a resto shaman and the pet can be cc'd up the ass (roots spam tauints and so on)

[Deleted]

This whole fiasco could easily be solved.

On top of the current PTR changes:
*Remove Soul Swap
*Make Shadow Embrace 1 Stack/self buff.
*FIX DISPEL SPAM OH GOD PLEASE(increase damage taken when dispelled to 25% of dispeller's HP[instead of changing it to a flat number, would prevent problems in the future]) that way they can risk dispelling if they abolutely must get the dot's/fear off of the target, but would prevent the idiotic mindset of 'DISPEL ALL THE DOTS NAOOOO' mentality most people have nowadays.




I don't want to sound like a tool, but do you realise that the shield is only absorbing around 9000damage. that's pretty much one white swing. Whilst this may be nice when 1v1'ing non-casters, the silence(in my personal opinion) is absolutely invaluable if timed right on a healer who you are attempting to kill.

I know its in no way optimal (and theres a reason I can NEVER kill a healer), but I've been playing since the shield used to kill your voidwalker, and i guess old habbits die hard.. I just feel really unprepared when i cant pop my shield.
But i actually do have a question. Demon armor or Fel armor as affli (pvp)? Seems like demon armor was meant for pvp, but the 20% healing on all single target dmg isnt really bad

Oh and allso, voidwalkers are awesome vs rogues :>