Did anyone ever think they'd see the day..

[Lightstrike]

When Microsoft would not only produce an operating system that actually works, but also one of the best antivirus's around?

Seriously.. I never saw it coming.

[Serissa]

"operating system that actually works"? seriously?

size of SP1 for win7 is ~900M (iso image) size of Win7 iso image is.... wait for it... ~3GB

clearly shows "quality" of M$ products.

IMO

[Lightstrike]

ever looked at the size of a FULL linux distro?

[jkfremin]

Considering they've had some of the best operating systems ever made for their times (excluding Millennium edition, that thing was a pile of shit), I'm not sure where this is coming from. I wouldn't have thought they would create a good anti-virus, and a free one at that, but to say that they finally made a good OS is pretty much just trolling.

[Kunther]

Considering they've had some of the best operating systems ever made for their times (excluding Millennium edition, that thing was a pile of shit).

Computer starts up.

Explorer.exe has caused an error in unknown and will now close.
*Insert any program* has caused an error in unknown and will now close.

About 20 more of these = Blue screen -> Restart.

Repeat

[Serissa]

I meant relative size of original distributive vs. service pack.

Your (M$) programmers suck if you have to replace 30% of your code in less than one year.

Can you imagine what happens with 5 years lifespan planned?

[Kiniun]

"operating system that actually works"? seriously?

size of SP1 for win7 is ~900M (iso image) size of Win7 iso image is.... wait for it... ~3GB

clearly shows "quality" of M$ products.

IMO

Dumbest post I've read in a long time.

How the hell is the amount of storage required got anything to do with quality?

Stop trolling.

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I meant relative size of original distributive vs. service pack.

Your (M$) programmers suck if you have to replace 30% of your code in less than one year.

Can you imagine what happens with 5 years lifespan planned?

You don't need to install it, now do you? It's taking up a lot of space simply due all the necessary updates it contains. You have no comparison whatsoever, all you're saying is "MS sucks".

In 5 years we'll be having huge storage capacity.

[Lightstrike]

Heh, You're forgetting that the service pack contains all the other updates in it in a lump. Linux does micro updates which add up over time. I'd still rather they replace a third of their code if there's a problem than not

[EyelessCrow]

The only problem I have ever really had with microsoft products is security and updates sometimes crashing stuff but to be honest that's a problem between the keyboard and the chair because if you instantly update shit that gets released you are asking for problems.

But yeah continue on with your "Waaa this product sucks but I will continue to use it and buy the updated version."

[Cantii]

I meant relative size of original distributive vs. service pack.

Your (M$) programmers suck if you have to replace 30% of your code in less than one year.

Can you imagine what happens with 5 years lifespan planned?

I'd wager that 90% of the 900MB service pack (which is about the size of every service pack, fully) is bundled updates. People who stay on top of their updates will only have a 60MB-100MB update, depending on what version of Windows they have (Home, Pro, Ultimate etc.). My SP1 update was only 60MB, which is about usual for me, no big deal.

[dicertification]

I'd wager that 90% of the 900MB service pack (which is about the size of every service pack, fully) is bundled updates. People who stay on top of their updates will only have a 60MB-100MB update, depending on what version of Windows they have (Home, Pro, Ultimate etc.). My SP1 update was only 60MB, which is about usual for me, no big deal.

Same I believe my sp1 download was around 75MB.

[vesseblah]

size of SP1 for win7 is ~900M (iso image) size of Win7 iso image is.... wait for it... ~3GB

clearly shows "quality" of M$ products.

IMO

Well, your opinion does not matter, since it's wrong and based on fundamental fail at understanding how patching works.

The reason why the full downloadable SP1 image is so big is because it is the full pack, with patches for every single version of Win7 and every single localization. If you use the web installer, downloaded size of SP1 is about 70mb on 64bit Win7Pro.

For additional shits & giggles, last time I installed Ubuntu 10.10 for testing purposes on old laptop the patch downloader greeted me with 450 megs of recommended patches 2 months after official release of the CD image. 450 megs of patches over 700 megs of CD image, so yeah... Who's looking like a fool now?

[Robula]

Win7 is near perfect when it comes to reliability and compatibility. I'd never go back to XP.

[Deleted]

For additional shits & giggles, last time I installed Ubuntu 10.10 for testing purposes on old laptop the patch downloader greeted me with 450 megs of recommended patches 2 months after official release of the CD image. 450 megs of patches over 700 megs of CD image, so yeah... Who's looking like a fool now?

We can further point out that the last Snow Leopard minor update (10.6.7) was almost 500 megabytes, and this is just to cover the differences from 10.6.6 which was released in January 06, 2011.
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1363

[Djuntas]

Win7 is near perfect when it comes to reliability and compatibility. I'd never go back to XP.

I find Win7 very nice aswell.

Off-topic; Why dosent flash player works in 64 bit internet explore. Why not a update for it yet? Annoying that I gotta use the 32 bit.

[Deleted]

I meant relative size of original distributive vs. service pack.

Your (M$) programmers suck if you have to replace 30% of your code in less than one year.

Can you imagine what happens with 5 years lifespan planned?

Yeah, because optimising and additions to the OS are the devil.

I hope Loin OS X will be near the 3Gb mark, or even bellow 10Gb. I'd be happy, oh so happy.

[Deleted]

Off-topic; Why dosent flash player works in 64 bit internet explore. Why not a update for it yet? Annoying that I gotta use the 32 bit.

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/f...ayer10/square/

[vesseblah]

I hope Loin OS X will be near the 3Gb mark, or even bellow 10Gb. I'd be happy, oh so happy.

Full OSX 10.6 install DVD is around 6GB, so double the size of Win7, but it comes with all localizations on the same disc.

[Deleted]

Considering they've had some of the best operating systems ever made for their times (excluding Millennium edition, that thing was a pile of shit), I'm not sure where this is coming from.

Uhm, the entire win9x family of operating systems was a useless mess when compared to what else was available at the time. And pre-win9x Windows was rarely used by most people because MS/PC-DOS alone was actually less painful to use...

And even win2k and winxp had their issues when first released. And while compared to the win9x series of graphical shells for DOS they were amazing but that's not really a good way to compare operating systems, you should compare them to the competition as well (it doesn't count as winning the marathon if you were 5 km behind the runner in the lead and then managed to get that down to just 1 km).

These days I can't really complain about the general solidity of their operating systems though, now it's mostly a matter of UI design (both the general philosophy and the application of it) that irks me when using MS operating systems...

[vesseblah]

Is that the one that comes with Win 7 or what?

Nothing comes with Win7 because of the EU's QQ regarding anti-competitive practices of bundling stuff with OS, but MSE is an high-priority download through Windows Update if you don't have any AV programs installed.

Personally I think that stuff like web browsers, media players and AV packages should come with OS, then there's less hassle for novices to get computer up & running, but can't always win... Especially since RealMedia's player always was and still is a steaming pile of shit, and QuickTime has stupid UI and Windows version is bloated with Safari, iTunes and other crap I didn't ask for.

Uhm, the entire win9x family of operating systems was a useless mess when compared to what else was available at the time.

Ahem... There was nothing else available at the time for home computers, since Amiga had died few years before and linux was still in the "download sources and compile kernel for your CPU" stage at the time.