[HOLY] PoJ spec for ten man?

[Taygete]

I've been thinking of trying a PoJ spec, but I've heard that it's really more of a 25 man thing, and my guild only does 10 man. We haven't killed Nef yet, or pushed into any heroics, but this has more to do with attendance than skill... so as soon as we get a few things straightened out there I expect we will be moving into more difficult content. I'm wondering if any of you prefer the PoJ spec over a WoG spec in a 10 man setting, or if it really is only better for 25's.

Current spec is in my sig, essentially all I would be changing is moving a point out of Blessed Life and points out of Eternal Glory to pick up PoJ.

Thank you

[Kageyn]

If you mean Pursuit of Justice, there aren't really *that* many other options for us, and it opens up a slot for a better enchant than Boar's Speed, It also is really useful on 9/10 fight being able to move just that much faster, I have WoG and Pursuit of Justice spec and so do you, so i don't quite know what you're asking.

[Taygete]

I have WoG and Pursuit of Justice spec and so do you, so i don't quite know what you're asking.

I don't have a PoJ spec, I'm not sure what you mean there... unless you were looking at my prot spec.

[Kageyn]

Are you talking about for holy or prot spec?

[Taygete]

Sry, was talking about holy, edited the post title.

I'll add it to the thread title in the forum as well. - Hitsurugi

[Kageyn]

Haha ok, sorry for the confusion, well, in that case I'm not a healer but our Holy Pally specs into Eternal Glory, it's very useful when it procs, but moving faster is also a major bonus, so i think it's personal preference and whichever you have more trouble with, pumping out more heals, or anticipating mechanics

[Deleted]

10man and eternal glory are just amazing realy, even more so if you get a tracker for eternal glory Icd. allows a WoG and a LoD on some group ups.

[Jeffari]

PoJ spec is the way to go. I do it in my 10 man. Our group is quite casual since were only 4/13 heroic but I still love the run speed. The only fight I spec into eternal glory and glyph WoG is heroic Chimeron. WoG heals for a decent chunk there and if it procs, well you can handle the slimes quite easily. I don't understand the difference between 10-25? There is essentially the same amount of movement required. I dps on my hunter in a 25 man guild while heal on my paladin in 10s.

The positives outweigh the negatives when I look at it. Having to use holy radiance as a speed boost is just a waste.

[Taygete]

10man and eternal glory are just amazing realy, even more so if you get a tracker for eternal glory Icd. allows a WoG and a LoD on some group ups.

I have no complaints at all about my current spec, and I do really like WoG... I was just considering the extra movement speed, if it might be more useful than the proc once we start heroics.

TY, appreciate the feedback!

[eternalwhitemoon]

Haha ok, sorry for the confusion, well, in that case I'm not a healer but our Holy Pally specs into Eternal Glory, it's very useful when it procs, but moving faster is also a major bonus, so i think it's personal preference and whichever you have more trouble with, pumping out more heals, or anticipating mechanics

Basically this.

I prefer a more WOG-oriented playstyle because I'm doing 10m H and I'm often doing single-target healing, so I spec EG. If I used LoD more than WoG, I'd go PoJ. It really depends on your personal spell usage.

You can always get runspeed to boots if the movement is really THAT big of an issue. :P

[Taygete]

I don't understand the difference between 10-25? There is essentially the same amount of movement required.

It's not that you need the extra speed boost for 25 mans, it's more that you use WoG less in a 25 man setting compared to LoD.

You can always get runspeed to boots if the movement is really THAT big of an issue. :P

Noooo no no no, not an issue. Fire doesn't give you haste, I know that much. It CAN give you rage though, I swear I saw a warrior stand in the fire once and get mad enough to ninja log!

[eternalwhitemoon]

It's not that you need the extra speed boost for 25 mans, it's more that you use WoG less in a 25 man setting compared to LoD.

Right. The choice usually boils down to whether you take EG or PoJ, and the correct answer to that would depend on how often you use WoG.

In a 25-man setting, you basically have to TRY for LoD to not hit all 5 or 6 targets (which makes it superior in almost every scenario due to Beacon transfer). In a 10-man, where people are often more spread out, LoD isn't always (or often, in my case) the best choice.

Noooo no no no, not an issue. Fire doesn't give you haste, I know that much. It CAN give you rage though, I swear I saw a warrior stand in the fire once and get mad enough to ninja log!

lol

I wouldn't do runspeed to boots personally just because I love my haste too much. I was just offering it as an alternative possibility.

[drake741]

I've tried both specs in 10-man settings, and per my "healing style" I don't use WoG enough to justify not having Pursuit of Justice. Especially considering how much more Holy Paladins can move from Pre-Cata, the run speed is used more (and more useful) than WoG procs in my experience.

Just my $0.02

I wouldn't do runspeed to boots personally just because I love my haste too much. I was just offering it as an alternative possibility.

This too. I loooooooove my haste, and getting a since runspeed+ is should be essential for most if not all raiders, you would trade the haste enchant for the runspeed+ boot enchant.

[Taygete]

I already have runspeed on my boots, but would go haste if I picked up PoJ obviously. I'm a haste junkie too, but I *like* PoJ... it's just a fun talent to have, and damn useful. I used to have it back when critadin was the way to spec and hated Blizz for a long while after they changed it and I had to give it up, lol. I didn't miss having it so much when nitro boosts didn't send you flying up in the air, but I'm reconsidering my spec now that my favorite tinker is sortof irresponsible to use in a raid setting. (QQ) Really, just looking for opinions on one spec vs. another in terms of usefulness in a ten man/future heroic ten man setting. I know they're both useful in and of themselves.

[Jeffari]

Right. The choice usually boils down to whether you take EG or PoJ, and the correct answer to that would depend on how often you use WoG.

In a 25-man setting, you basically have to TRY for LoD to not hit all 5 or 6 targets (which makes it superior in almost every scenario due to Beacon transfer). In a 10-man, where people are often more spread out, LoD isn't always (or often, in my case) the best choice.



lol

I wouldn't do runspeed to boots personally just because I love my haste too much. I was just offering it as an alternative possibility.

Mastery + run speed is just hurting yourself in the end. 7% run speed isn't worth it until Mastery gets changed, 50 haste is too good :3

As for LoD in 10s. I find I use it far more. Don't get me wrong I use WoG but it's never in my top 5. I also prefer the 5% holy shock glyph too. I use both specs given the fight so I'm not totally against, but like people said, it's preference.

[eternalwhitemoon]

Mastery + run speed is just hurting yourself in the end. 7% run speed isn't worth it until Mastery gets changed, 50 haste is too good :3

Well, there's Earthen Vitality too, since we all know Mastery is the root of all evil :P That's totally beside the point though, you and I are in agreement that haste>all.

Really, just looking for opinions on one spec vs. another in terms of usefulness in a ten man/future heroic ten man setting. I know they're both useful in and of themselves.

Basically, if you WoG a lot>EG
If you LoD more>PoJ

[Taygete]

Yeah, I was talking about Earthen Vitality. Mastery? pffffffffffffffffffft

[eternalwhitemoon]

Of note:

We are currently 3/13 Heroic because our other raiders have pesky real lives to attend to. We've also done a few pulls on just about everyone else for lulz.

I have noticed on a lot of these Heroic fights there are phases (Omnotron and Atramedes) or even the majority of the fight (Magmaw) where the raid is stacked, making LoD superior. Exceptions are Maloriak (barring red phase) and Chimaeron (barring Feud) so far. :P

On the normal versions of these fights, I often prefer WoG, mainly because a) I'm single target healing and b) our druid and holy priest don't really need help with AOE healing on Normal. XD

[gymrat2005]

I use the PoJ spec for everything right now,as LoD tranfers more to the tank via beacon transfer, But im somewhat in the same boat as you..

I think I will only use the PoJ spec for fights like maloraik and chogall and Valiona, where theres alot of stacking involved. It'd be nice to have a couple extra WoG's. also I have LoD Glyphed. soo ya

[Jeffari]

Of note:

We are currently 3/13 Heroic because our other raiders have pesky real lives to attend to. We've also done a few pulls on just about everyone else for lulz.

I have noticed on a lot of these Heroic fights there are phases (Omnotron and Atramedes) or even the majority of the fight (Magmaw) where the raid is stacked, making LoD superior. Exceptions are Maloriak (barring red phase) and Chimaeron (barring Feud) so far. :P

On the normal versions of these fights, I often prefer WoG, mainly because a) I'm single target healing and b) our druid and holy priest don't really need help with AOE healing on Normal. XD

Yes like I said LoD is fight situational, but I find for most heroic, LoD is just superior. We've been wiping on H.magmaw after a night of attempts around 5% and if people don't panic and actually stay stacked, LoD is godlike. I maintain around 14k hps on that fight just from holy radiance and LoD. I do more aoe healing then our h.priest/r.druid even. My 10 man involves people that enjoy standing in fire or purple stuff on the ground >.>

The grind for the real heroics begin ^-^