Death Knight or Mage PvP

[coffeecakes]

Well Ive been stuck on this problem for a long time i cant decide which class to start playing when 4.1 is released. I want to go into pvp and i cant seem to be able to pick from DK or mage. Can you please tell me there uses in pvp how they do in arenas and BGs and what specs role for pvp. I know there a million threads regarding the same topic but...to lazy look it up :P Btw thank you in advance and please dont just post like one word for EX.(mage) please elaborate.

[Asmodejjj]

www.arenajunkies.com

I don't want to be a dick, but that is THE premier website for PVP. This isn't. They also have videos/guides/macroes/anything anyone could ever need.

[letsmangle]

Mage by far is more useful in PVP. Too powerful with all the stuff they have. Roots, spell steal, counterspell (spec into scilence), able to get out of stuns with blink, aoe frozen, deep freeze, mirror image (drops you from target), polymorph. It's a little retarded that frost is getting buffed, for PVE reasons. I see arcane and fire as raiding spec with Frost being there to kite adds or something. Which A hunter can do pretty easily.

Fair warning though you may or may not like mages after these suppose scary changes hit the servers.

[ophion1990]

DO you preffer melee or ranged? do u like the idea of kiting/peeling (wel both mage and dk have great peels) mages are squishy atm but thats getting adressed while DK hase some nice self heals and survival cd's. Noone can say what class you should play which is the reason topics like these aren't really allowed

[coffeecakes]

well ive decided i want to be melee now i dont know which to pick DK,rogue, or with the exception of hunters. Also tell me there roles in pvp and what spec.

[QtLoL]

if you're bad at pvp, go mage
if you're good at pvp, go DK

[coffeecakes]

if you're bad at pvp, go mage
if you're good at pvp, go DK

ive decided to go melee but which one DK,rogue or with the exception of hunters?

[fizikz]

ive decided to go melee but which one DK,rogue or with the exception of hunters?

I have both a DK and rogue at 85 and I'm playing both extensively right now, and I can say that they're both very similar as far as strengths goes. Both have lots of survivability, self healing, cooldowns, utility (which makes them great BG classes). Both require good cooldown use and management.

Unholy DK's get kills through stacking up NS to create pressure(which is really unique and cool, IMO-but some might find it boring i guess?), frost DK's pop cooldowns and use some of their CC and try to burst people down.

Sub rogues have very poor sustained pressure, but have high control and good burst with shadowdance + on use agi trinket or synapse springs (engineering)

assassination rogues have higher pressure but fairly poor mobility (only 1 vanish, no shadowstep, only one smokebomb)

both classes are in a great spot right now, and will be getting some nice buffs in 4.1 as well.


basically...both are really fun

[BTF777]

I say this as a Full Vicious gear DK.

Mage is actually alot more beast than DK , go for the mage

[Deleted]

I say this as a Full Vicious gear DK.

Mage is actually alot more beast than DK , go for the mage

I say this as a Full Vicious gear Mage.
Go for the DK.

[QtLoL]

ive decided to go melee but which one DK,rogue or with the exception of hunters?

Rogue.
/msgtoshort

[Dystruktaur]

Some of the most fun PVP I've had is as a Blood DK in WSG and Twin Peaks. Give me the flag and GTFO of my way.

[BTF777]

I say this as a Full Vicious gear Mage.
Go for the DK.

Idk man I arena w/ my brothers mage whos in crap gear and I've seen him do stuff like take out 2 guys by himself cause a good frost mage is ridiculous

He could do more w/ little to no resillience as a mage than I can as a DK w/ a ton of resillience

[xBreak]

^ You weren't very high in the bracket clearly, and let me tell you this.. I've soloed a double Mage team in 2s. If played right DK can rape just as hard. o_O

I say this as a Full Vicious gear DK.

Mage is actually alot more beast than DK , go for the mage

... If you were any good at DK you probably wouldn't say that, tbh. DKs can counter Mages with good CD usage and proper timing. Full Vicious gear isn't a feat, through winning 5 Arena Games & BH you can easily get full Vicious. In 1v1 they can counter them, and if your healer knows how to dispel, in most of your comps you'll still counter them.

Mage by far is more useful in PVP. Too powerful with all the stuff they have. Roots, spell steal, counterspell (spec into scilence), able to get out of stuns with blink, aoe frozen, deep freeze, mirror image (drops you from target), polymorph. It's a little retarded that frost is getting buffed, for PVE reasons. I see arcane and fire as raiding spec with Frost being there to kite adds or something. Which A hunter can do pretty easily.

The top team in the world has a DK. Highest Mage team is in 8th place.

Honestly they both have their strong points, pick which one you have the most fun with. Test them all out for a while, honestly though, I didn't have fun with DK until I hit 85. :x

[fizikz]

Idk man I arena w/ my brothers mage whos in crap gear and I've seen him do stuff like take out 2 guys by himself cause a good frost mage is ridiculous

He could do more w/ little to no resillience as a mage than I can as a DK w/ a ton of resillience

wow a frost mage can take out two terrible melees by himself?! ALERT THE MEDIA. /rolleyes. the OP said he wanted to play a melee. learn to read more than just the title.

[Nelchan]

DKs eat mages for breakfast. Unless the mage is awesome and the DK is awful there should be no challenge here. Pick DK, Learn to smash mages and how to use your CDs (like dont open with death grip, save that for when they try to blink out of your range) and learn to kite warriors and pallys, because they will crush you if you try to go toe to toe. (this is all from UH pov, which is IMO the only spec that should be allowed in BGs. GTFO blood pvp.)

[Jiraiyah]

Blood's pretty much dead in 4.1

Definitely recommend DK, I'm having a blast with mine. Frost is getting some pretty significant buffs in 4.1. Currently, UH and frost are pretty close if you're awesome at PvP but unholy comes out ahead if you're average to above average.

In 4.1, not only do most of the Frost abilities get stronger, but you no longer have blood runes to deal with. This will allow for absolute ridiculous levels of brainless burst. The mediocre player will be as good with frost as they will be with unholy but the awesomest of the awesome will be frost or go home (except specific comps).

I play unholy myself. I'm not only in the average to above average category but I prefer the playstyle. It's more flexible and more mobile. It's better against casters and lets you keep constant pressure (via pet/DC) even if you can't get in range. I'll be giving frost another shot come 4.1 though.

[fizikz]

All tanks (except bears, who aren't anywhere near as 'viable' as other tanks in pvp if they just stay bear) are getting nerfed in pvp. prot pallies get 20sec WoG CD. prot warriors losing a 6 second spell reflect for a 20? second spell reflect, and blood dks are losing blood shield in UH/frost pres. honestly though, this hardly means the "death" of blood DKs. they still have amazing cooldowns, and although their currently incredibly overpowered death strike/blood shield healing is being nerfed, that doesn't make them automatically bad or dead in 4.1....just not incredibly OP.

[Aundas]

Mages are easy to be mediocre with but harder to play well. DKs require a bit more attention earlier on, but you roflstomp things without even trying. I'd say it depends on your team makeup, if your partner is a healer go DK, if your team has lots of CC then take the mage.

[coffeecakes]

Thanks everybody im leaning towards DK atm but no one has mentioned anything about hunters.