Guild Wars 2: The One Thread

[Bluedragonwolf]

Because they will have hindsight and will have played the the entirety of the game. Besides I'll be saving money by that point. I will actually be happy if it's a great game and I'm blissfully proven wrong because it will be the first MMO to come out that actually is great and will challenge WoW. Until then I will wait. I'd rather save myself £10 than wind up rushing into another MMO.

Why does it need to compete with WoW. Why can't they both succeed and live together next to one another. Further more, how do you determine if it's actually competing with WoW or doing worse or better? It has no subscription mode, you can't use active subscriptions as having bought the box and having an account means you have a "subscription" in GW2. Will you gauge the success of the game solely by word of mouth? You say because they will have hindsight and will have played the entirety of the game. What if they didn't play the entirety of the game before they say it sucked and quit? Does that make their opinion less meaningful? Or will you still use them as an example as to why the game is a "failure?"

In the end, who cares if it challenges WoW or competes with it in any way. If it's a great game it doesn't matter if it does so.

[Mif]

New blog post with a roundup of the BWE coverage

http://www.arena.net/blog/link-round...-weekend-event

[DrakeWurrum]

Why does it need to compete with WoW. Why can't they both succeed and live together next to one another.

Competition isn't always to the death. A certain American Dad sketch comes to mind...

They can both easily succeed and live together, while simultaneously compete for the spot of reigning MMO champion. Fun fact: CEO of ArenaNet claims their goal is to beat WoW. It's written in virtual ink over at Forbes.com, WEEKS ago.

[Valeron]

This 16 second video pretty much encapsulates gamers

[DrakeWurrum]

I know it's a link round up but every time they post something it's always screen shots or information we have known for a week. I'm not trying to sound ungrateful because they are making an awesome game but they haven't shown anything new in along time( and yes i'v seen the art picture on facebook released).

At this point i'd take a picture of a glitched sylvari as something new.

That's pretty much just the way ANet works. After the last press beta, they basically went quiet for a few weeks while they proceeded to work on the game.

[Malthurius]

New blog post with a roundup of the BWE coverage

http://www.arena.net/blog/link-round...-weekend-event

I like how the blog refers to the BWE as an "old-school beta", as in an actual test and not a marketing ploy (even though it probably served both purposes).

[DrakeWurrum]

I like how the blog refers to the BWE as an "old-school beta", as in an actual test and not a marketing ploy (even though it probably served both purposes).

But is it just a marketing ploy to claim that it's not a marketing ploy? /gasp

[Valeron]

But is it just a marketing ploy to claim that it's not a marketing ploy? /gasp

Is that like an Inception type thing?

[DrakeWurrum]

Is that like an Inception type thing?

You mean ployception?

[Malthurius]

But is it just a marketing ploy to claim that it's not a marketing ploy? /gasp

You're right, we can't trust any of these bloody greedy devs. They just want your money! All your money!

[Valeron]

Hmm, Ripley an engineer?

[DrakeWurrum]

You're right, we can't trust any of these bloody greedy devs. They just want your money! All your money!

And they mostly come at night.

Mostly.

[Malthurius]

And they mostly come at night.

Mostly.

Just in case someone takes my sarcasm and turns it against me, look at this video.

[DrakeWurrum]

Just in case someone takes my sarcasm and turns it against me, look at this video.

Never saw that before. I wonder if that could be applied to raiding...

[Malthurius]

Never saw that before. I wonder if that could be applied to raiding...

It can be applied to a lot of things, not just MMOs and business I feel. I find it amusing that the video also uses the ''carrot on a stick'' analogy so often used here in the forums.

[Loaf Lord]

Carrot on a stick is a very old term that's been used for a long time.

[Malthurius]

Carrot on a stick is a very old term that's been used for a long time.

I know, but it's used to describe skinner box more than anything now a days.

[DrakeWurrum]

It can be applied to a lot of things, not just MMOs and business I feel. I find it amusing that the video also uses the ''carrot on a stick'' analogy so often used here in the forums.

I was mostly being ironic (rhetorical?), hence the italicization. But what I was driving at is that the video, to me, made sense as to what's been happening with the popularity of WoW lately.

WoW raiding kinda puts people on rails, after all, and it's always been primarily about the gear rewards over any mastery over the gameplay (hence why content keeps getting nerfed again and again to make content more accessible).

[Malthurius]

WoW raiding kinda puts people on rails, after all, and it's always been primarily about the gear rewards over any mastery over the gameplay (hence why content keeps getting nerfed again and again to make content more accessible).

And it's why I don't raid anymore after I've beaten it. No self mastery, only gear rewards. Perhaps as a dps you can argue that you feel purpose by playing the meters and trying to beat each other and mastery because of that, but as a tank myself? Gear was my only motivation and it wasn't a good one, hence the reason I quit. It wasn't like I could dps, no other tanks and I liked tanking, so there goes autonomy. At least purpose was fulfilled for me; leading a raid guild, I had a purpose to lead.

[DrakeWurrum]

And it's why I don't raid anymore after I've beaten it. No self mastery, only gear rewards. Perhaps as a dps you can argue that you feel purpose by playing the meters and trying to beat each other and mastery because of that, but as a tank myself? Gear was my only motivation and it wasn't a good one, hence the reason I quit. It wasn't like I could dps, no other tanks and I liked tanking, so there goes autonomy. At least purpose was fulfilled for me; leading a raid guild, I had a purpose to lead.

Kinda the same thing for me, though even as a DPS in a progression-minded raiding guild, you don't really care about the meters. Well, most don't. To me meters and logs were really just about analyzing what went wrong and where.
It got to the point where I felt like I had mastered all I could master, and playing at the peak of my performance, and most wipes were caused by other people who hadn't even come close to mastery. I tried re-rolling Rogue in T13 partially because it brought some of that feeling of mastering something new back, but once I became familiar with the rotation it really was just... more of the same, in my eyes.

I didn't stick around beyond 1/8 HMs in T13, despite being next-in-line for the legendary daggers, because what I was seeing on attempts on Yor'sahj, Hagara, and Zon'ozz (all Heroic obviously) was the exact same shit I'd put up with back in T11 and T12, and didn't feel up to the frustration.

The realization that all my hard work progressing through bosses this expansion would mean jack shit next expansion (nobody cares anymore how far you went in T10, after all), suddenly made me feel like there was no point in trying to down all the HMs this tier.