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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentsnipe1212 View Post
    on the dailyshow last night they did a thing with wyatt cenac about the poll statistics, eventually coming to the conclusion that early poll statistics are basically always wrong and dont actually show any information. i forget why but its coming on in about an hour so ill watch it again and if it isnt explained by the time i watch it again ill explain why
    Did not see it, but I don't think most people even know who is running. Polles are a popularity contest, at this point, Trump has had decades to let everyone know who he is. It's a brand, running against 'what's their names'. The campaigning has not officially started...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cattaclysmic View Post
    i dont get why its such a big deal IF he was not born in the US... i understand it would be grounds for republicans to remove a democratically elected leader who beat them but other than that i dont see why u wouldnt be able to be president as long as you held citizenship for more than x year
    There are solid rules laid down. One is that you are born a U.S. citizen. Like Ah-nold (yay California?) couldn't be President, simply because he was born in Austria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamslam View Post
    There are solid rules laid down. One is that you are born a U.S. citizen. Like Ah-nold (yay California?) couldn't be President, simply because he was born in Austria.
    They were mainly put into place to prevent time-traveling Hitler from becoming president.

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    Hopefully this ends the "debate".

    Conspiracy theorists drive me nuts.
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  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Silentsnipe1212 View Post
    cuz donald trump is irresponsible with his money it seems. my brother told me he was bankrupt a few times and accumulated a personal debt of 1 billion dollars. now if thats true can people honestly take him seriously when he says he wants to be our president and essentially control our money? to that i say: lulz.
    Really? Because it seems to me like he's not bankrupt now. Hmmmmm someone who according to you went from being 1 billion dollars in debt to being a billionaire again not fit to manage the money of a country that's in trillions of deficit in hopes of bringing that down. Definitely not qualified.

    Donald Trump is the worst kind of scum in my opinion. I mean he Copyrighted "You're Fired" hold on have to go pay his Royalties.
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    But no trump is the worst kind of scum.

    Yeah not even a good businessman a shotty one with a toupee.
    Yes he's so bad, he's just had more money then you've ever seen (including the opening to duck tails).

    He will not win. All his opponent has to do is show how rich he is and how much the tax payer has payed for his fortune, through bankruptcies at least.
    But what they can't show is him taking 50 of his closest friends on a whirlwind vacation to paris on tax money.

    But no. Trump is the worst kind of scum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamslam View Post
    There are solid rules laid down. One is that you are born a U.S. citizen. Like Ah-nold (yay California?) couldn't be President, simply because he was born in Austria.
    i know - doesnt mean it is logical... Why not just the person the people pick

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Simca View Post
    Hopefully this ends the "debate".

    Conspiracy theorists drive me nuts.
    Agreed. It's not an important issue and it never was.
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  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Sykol View Post
    They were mainly put into place to prevent time-traveling Hitler from becoming president.
    It's an assumed conflict of interest with your mother land. JFK had to deal with a lot of because of what is implied in being catholic, with the Pope being a rules if the Vatican, an independent country. It's kinda funny, but in Palin's last book she demonizes a JFK speech, in which he declares his aligence to US by saying he is an American first, catholic second. She actually had a problem with JFK putting America first, while attacking Obama over his birth certificate, which implies he would not put America first. I probably made it hard to understand, but I think it's funny.

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    Imagine that, he's not a Kenyan born Muslim extremist? Can the Teaparty/conservative extremists in America please STFU about everything now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentsnipe1212 View Post
    on the dailyshow last night they did a thing with wyatt cenac about the poll statistics, eventually coming to the conclusion that early poll statistics are basically always wrong and dont actually show any information. i forget why but its coming on in about an hour so ill watch it again and if it isnt explained by the time i watch it again ill explain why
    TDS and CR put all their shows up online.

    video you're referencing http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...rnate-universe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simca View Post
    Hopefully this ends the "debate".

    Conspiracy theorists drive me nuts.
    Facts don't deter whackjobs, sadly. It'll just be called an extra layer of conspiracy.

  12. #52
    i wish i could see obama during a press conference answer in an un-presidential manner. like straight up as a man (not president) tell these people who talk shit about him to suck it lol. it makes sense but at the same time it doesnt but do any of the people who criticize obama seriously think they could do a better job than him? im not saying hes great and all since i dont really know much about what hes done, but for every little thing he does like the white house easter egg hunt for example, someone had an issue with obama changing the fake eggs they used to use to a more environmentally friendly wood, and someone actually had a problem with that. its like theyre old people that just have a problem with everything their "child" does lol.

  13. #53
    I'm glad Ron Paul didn't buy any of that birther crap.

    Way to go Trump rofl
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  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Leven View Post
    Facts don't deter whackjobs, sadly. It'll just be called an extra layer of conspiracy.
    why wasn't it released eariler?! clearly they were just making a counterfeit one this entire time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lansow View Post
    Only now do you have universal healthcare. What I'm getting at is that the United States has far bigger fish to fry.

    No, we don't have universal healthcare. And that bill is in the process of being revamped.

    The number one issue with politics / our system is that you can attach laws or mandates to other laws. It's like "attached to the universal healthcare bill is a mandate that you must kick 10,000 puppies a year." Now imagine that's far more complex with literally tens of thousands of those mandates attached to something for everyone to agree to pass it.

    Dem or Rep doesn't matter: you're supporting the same system just different players within it... corporate america.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bals View Post
    why wasn't it released eariler?! clearly they were just making a counterfeit one this entire time!
    It was released earlier, just not the full certificate and not really officially.

    I believe the media/marketing phrase that is relevant here is "There is no prestige, only press."

    That is to say that nothing like some bullshit fluff that is eventually easily refutable to galvanize the US and the THEM. Essentially, the perfect timing to prove all of the assholes were assholes is when you run for your 2nd term. Especially when it was clearly obvious you were going to win the first time around. There are a ton of those types of ammunition for reelection saved up. That's how politics work, delay everything as long as possible and promise as much as possible so that investors have a reason to keep you relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bals View Post
    why wasn't it released eariler?! clearly they were just making a counterfeit one this entire time!
    Well he released the short version earlier. But I would say that withholding the long certificate was a succesful political play, drawing all loonies and donald trump out to call for impeachment, and then <BAM> release it in their face. Now the birthers look like fools.

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    remember donald trump is the same guy who said he wanted to be buried under a pyramid. i think hes a megalomaniac.

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    never thought of it that way, but thats actually really smart. however i dont think u can extinguish stupid with smart lol. u can only suffocate stupid with even more stupid (fight fire with fire) because these people, even with undeniable evidence in their face will still believe until theyre blue in the face that he wasnt born in the u.s because they dont like him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cattaclysmic View Post
    i dont get why its such a big deal IF he was not born in the US... i understand it would be grounds for republicans to remove a democratically elected leader who beat them but other than that i dont see why u wouldnt be able to be president as long as you held citizenship for more than x year
    The thing is that you either have to be born on US territory (including places like Puerto Rico and Guam, and OCONUS US Military bases), OR you can be born in another country if BOTH your parents are US citizens. If Obama had been born outside of the US, then he would be ineligible because his father wasn't american. Thats the how behind the birther crap, now as far as why goes, we can guess but who knows. Racism plays a part for some of them I'm sure, but I doubt it's the only motivation behind these flail tactics. There is prolly a different flavor of crazy for each person who buys this crap.

    THe funny thing about this certificate is that it's not even technically valid. The state of Hawaii changed the format to the digital copy which has already been released years ago. The old one is obsolete which may be why it took so long to dig out. Most states have made that switch now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenryusho View Post
    Really? Because it seems to me like he's not bankrupt now. Hmmmmm someone who according to you went from being 1 billion dollars in debt to being a billionaire again not fit to manage the money of a country that's in trillions of deficit in hopes of bringing that down. Definitely not qualified.
    We payed that 1 billion debt as tax payers as part of his bankruptcy. The reason why he is rich again, is because he became an entertainment mogul due to the reputation he built. A reputation which was built on the back of tax payers, because him filing for all the bankruptcies, means he was not as good of a business man as he made him self seem. He built a reputation and we payed for it and he is now making a fortune on said reputation that we payed for.

    I do not see how he can apply this plan to being a president. I guess he can barrow even more money from China and than bail when his term is and blame it on the guy after him? It's not like that has not been tried before, but sadly did not work out.


    Quote Originally Posted by Xenryusho View Post
    Microsoft copied "Windows"
    Apple copied "App"
    Facebook won't let ANYONE use the words "Face" or "book" in the name of a social networking site.
    McDonalds sued an child for using her last name "McDonald" for the name of her lemon aid stand.
    All of those are name infringements, last time I hear Donald Trumps middle name is not 'you're fired' nor is it the name of Apprentice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xenryusho View Post
    But no trump is the worst kind of scum.
    People are entitled to their opinion. But, you wont see me defending Jeffry Dahmer, just because I do not feel he is the worst kind of scum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xenryusho View Post
    Yes he's so bad, he's just had more money then you've ever seen (including the opening to duck tails).
    Ditto on costing tax payers money.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xenryusho View Post
    But what they can't show is him taking 50 of his closest friends on a whirlwind vacation to paris on tax money.
    Why does it matter what he did with the money, when the fact is he cost the tax payer money. I don't care if it payed for his new casino or if he burnt it lighting cigars. The reason doesn't matter, just the fact that he did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xenryusho View Post
    But no. Trump is the worst kind of scum
    I can understand people thinking he is the worst kind of scum, I don't understand those who defend him. Even if he is not as bad as others I can think of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diurdi View Post
    Now the birthers look like fools.
    The certificate has been available to the public the whole time, they are fools.

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