topping the charts WITHOUT pulling aggro, HELP

[zaka]

NOOB question, how do you top the damage chart and NOT pull aggro off the tank, i have tried waiting 5 sec, i have tried not popping cooldowns, still i am driving my tank NUTS....Help

[Cernunnos]

Is this AOE or single target?

Are you using your clones?

Is your take prioritising the right abilities to spike his threat?

Do you have a paladin in your group? Ask for Blessing of Salvation (lowers threat)





It could just be your tank.

[Klora]

Start with Mirror Images, nuke for a little while, then a few seconds before MI wears off, pop invisibility. By the time you build your aggro up again your tank should have firm control of the boss.

[Imnick]

Step one: Pop mirror image

[Tehterokkar]

Your tank needs to L2P. I have yet to see any mage even come close to me with threat.

[chris1554]

Your tank needs to L2P. I have yet to see any mage even come close to me with threat.

Progression tanks don't stack hit and exp. You know this right?

Also, you will be saying otherwise when you do Nefarian Heroic.

[Hashde]

Your tank needs to L2P. I have yet to see any mage even come close to me with threat.

Troll.
Op, tanks have not threat stats anymore for the most part. Best thing to do is just start slow and build up. It take vengeance 30 sec or so to reach full Ap. Threat management is the whole raids responsibility.

[Culexus]

Progression tanks don't stack hit and exp. You know this right?

Also, you will be saying otherwise when you do Nefarian Heroic.

They dont stack exp and hit because no one comes even close in regards of aggro even without gearing for threatstats. If there would be major threat problems that simply wouldnt be the gearing strategy.

On topic:
Just start out smooth. Give your tank a headstart where you dont go nuts with dps. Ask for salvation. Use your threatdumps when you need them. I dont know what to say here since this problem can come from so many factors (like you having much better gear than the tank or using cooldowns right at the start etc etc). I dont know but in our raid mages dont have a problem at all with their threat.

[chris1554]

Troll.
Op, tanks have not threat stats anymore for the most part. Best thing to do is just start slow and build up. It take vengeance 30 sec or so to reach full Ap. Threat management is the whole raids responsibility.

Maybe hes not trolling. Could just be his mages are really sub-par.

---------- Post added 2011-04-29 at 11:56 PM ----------

They dont stack exp and hit because no one comes even close in regards of aggro even without gearing for threatstats. If there would be major threat problems that simply wouldnt be the gearing strategy.

People do come pretty damn close within say the first 30 seconds of a fight. Being a progression guild we have to push dps and not over-aggro and thats a very fine line. Our mages and Paladins tend to use Salv / Mirror / Invis at the start of the fight. Once the tank has vengance up properly you'll get nowhere near him unless he has some god damn bad RNG and misses his big attacks.

[Culexus]

People do come pretty damn close within say the first 30 seconds of a fight. Being a progression guild we have to push dps and not over-aggro and thats a very fine line. Our mages and Paladins tend to use Salv / Mirror / Invis at the start of the fight. Once the tank has vengance up properly you'll get nowhere near him unless he has some god damn bad RNG and misses his big attacks.

Thats exactly what i was talking about. The fact that in that timespan where dps can pull aggro they are able to use their dumps (and demand salvs or hop as a caster). Once vengeance is stacked it is pretty hard to pull aggro even if you are trying. Didnt want to say youre wrong. Its either the tank that is not able to do proper aggro or the op just going nuts before the tank has his small headstart.

[zaka]

ok tank & i are basically similarlly geared, i do use iceblock & invis regularly.. salv..is one i forget about tho....but i start slow i dont pop cool downs till i can see he has GREAT threat...but sometimes i crit my head off with out any helpl lol.
and he gets so mad...was even considering going frost just to do my 5 mans rofl....

[Imnick]

ok tank & i are basically similarlly geared, i do use iceblock & invis regularly.. salv..is one i forget about tho....but i start slow i dont pop cool downs till i can see he has GREAT threat...but sometimes i crit my head off with out any helpl lol.
and he gets so mad...was even considering going frost just to do my 5 mans rofl....

Frost won't help
You want to open with two deep freezes and that will make any tank that isn't prepared want to kill you

Just use mirror images, invis when they are about to run out on the slim chance that your threat is still high
If you're getting aggro after that and there are no related mechanics, chances are the tank is doing something wrong

[Verdris]

Stop being bad.

Tell your tank to stop being bad.

It's not hard for tanks to hold aggro anymore.

[Eilee]

Pop mirrors and get the tank to taunt off of one of them

[Badmage]

K so I'm just go ahead and kinda contradict everyone. well, not everyone.

this is what i do:

Prepot, wind up all my stuff.
Blow my load with mirrors up (for our H nef attemts i slam ony and generate almost 1mill threat i think, unless im reading numbers wrong ((im bad with numbers))).
3-4 seconds before mirrors wear off i tell jar (our tank) to taunt.
invis.
and voila, you have now made tricks and misdirect look useless cause your tank is probably 5-600k threat above everyone else.

it seems few people realize, your tanks can piggyback their threat off what you generate while mirrors are up.

aka, my tanks love me.

[MildCore]

What? Shouldn't the answer be simple? Nuke a few times and mirror before you pull threat. You'll jump ahead of him on the meters but nothing will happen because of mirrors. Keep going a while and If you notice you're still significantly ahead of him before your mirrors run out begin casting invis. You don't need to do a full cast of invis, just let it go for a second and a half and it'll halve your threat then continue dps'ing. Good gravy.

[Deleted]

Do you have your threat reduction talent.

[zoefschildpad]

ah, you said 5-mans. if your tank outgears them it's quite possible for him to take way too little damage to stack vengeance, something I've been noticing myself on my tank lately. It's only going to get worse and there's nothing you can do about it. thee vengeance mechanic just blows.

[Vandango]

1 Word : Vengeance

If your tank is overgeared for the encounter like average item level 360+ you will find they don't take a lot of damage from some of the bosses inside 5 mans , even the new ZA/ZG instances, this will make an equally geared dps chase them on threat constantly, while it is possible to keep aggro theres not a lot of room for error

Sometimes i find most DPS even in my guild do not understand the mechanics of Vengeance.

[Deleted]

You should be opening with Mirror images and by the time they end tank should be fine. You also have invisibility that works the same way Vanish does to my knowledge, aka it wipes 100% of your threat. If you were a lock or a boomkin complaining I wouldn't say anything but this? Common.