Why is Venoxis so hard...

[MerinPally]

Why do people find this fight so challenging? It's one of the many unanswerable mysteries in life, alongside things like "Does God exist" and "Why are we here?"

9 times over the past week (in a total of about 15 runs of this place, thats all pugs, good and bad) we have had to leave at Venoxis, because people cannot keep up. Normally I tank on my paladin and then I have an alt prot warrior with whom I do the same, and then I have a restoration druid. This gives me a decent insight as to all the roles and to why/how people cock up.

Now, when I pug on my tanks, the healer may as well not be there for all the work he's doing. Even if the dps are on their toes, they still can't be kept alive, even if they avoid all the avoidable stuff on the floor, it's ridiculous. When I heal it on my resto druid, the only unhealable people are the ones in the green beams, but I watch some dps perish from just random AOE, because the healer isn't healing. Then once the Bloodvenom comes, well, it's like watching headless chickens. The amount of people who charge straight into the green beams is completely ridiculous and quite humorous to watch. Only 4 times have I seen in a pug, have I not witnessed all 4 other members run straight into the green stuff as if it gives them mana.

So, what is the point of this post? Well, here it is: http://www.xfire.com/video/46497c/

Thats a video of a Venoxis solo that I did this morning with nothing but my own buffs - kings and a seal. Now I'm sure as hell not going to be a prick and claim its a world first or that it took any sort of skill whatsoever, but see it as a wake up call - a tank, not even in full raid gear, with something like a 357 ilvl or something ridiculous, can solo a boss thats designed for 5 people - there really is no excuse for wiping on this boss than pure stupidity.

So - I implore you - the reason you wipe on this boss is stupidity, not because it is difficult. This is not shameless self promoting but god almighty if I can do this, anyone can. Next time you're in a fail pug, you can go in with the knowledge (if you didn't already know) that this boss is SOLO-ABLE and any people who wipe you on it should be ashamed of themselves. I'm sure any paladin/DK tank could solo this in a few 359s and a bunch of 346.

On the other hand if you like looking for a positive in everything - paladin tanks, you're brilliant no matter what that shit resto druid in cloth says. Put your mind to it and ignore the people telling you you're stupid, and blow them away.

Content is not too easy, peoples minds just lack all sort of consistency to a degree that it should be oozing out their ears.

[iceberg265]

Its so hard because of the lag imo. I haven't ran it since the lag was supposedly fixed.

[Zamfix]

Thank you, I completely agree. There is very little left in WoW that is innately challenging. Most of the challenge comes from other people's incompetence.

[Abandon]

You are of course ignoring the fact that his most damaging abilities do not cast when there is only one person there...

[MerinPally]

You are of course ignoring the fact that his most damaging abilities do not cast when there is only one person there...

The only one is the toxic link and that is never the issue when I pug it. The issue is when he turns into a snake and shoots beams from the sky. Toxic Link is a test to check you have a pulse, nothing more than that. The maze is static for gods sake and people insist on running into it?

[Deleted]

I don't think you are in a position to judge anyone else's skill in this game, when you are furiously clicking half your binds.

[Apellosine]

the fact that it can be solo'd is of very little relevance as the only difficult mechanic of the fight is the link ability which does a lot of damage. the problem people have is the inability to communicate and find a place that is away from your linked target and away from the rest of the party.

[Ashareth]

Lag only account for a very few part of the fail/wipes.
Most of the wipes comes from people (tanks included) not interupting Whispers... which means dead member half the time if it fixates on one of the toxic link's targets, which it does roughly 80% of the time, and from people standing where they shouldn't, not going back behind the boss in serpent form after a breath and so on.

Add to that patheticly low dps meaning 3+ cycles long fight meaning more strain on healers and more room for mistake, and you are set.
But yes, i already ended up two times soloing it from roughly 50% to death with my dk and protadin tanks because everyone else was dead, and once we duo'ed it from roughly 80% life with a healer after everyone died from the first toxic link or breath...

[MerinPally]

I don't think you are in a position to judge anyone else's skill in this game, when you are furiously clicking half your binds.

Only ones I'm clicking are Word of Glory and thats only half the time, Avenging Wrath and thats only once or twice, and then I think a few cooldowns and then Flash of Light. FoL isn't bound, and the others are due to the fact I'm a recovering clicker who only saw the light recently.

[Gavenrod]

Honestly, it's the amount of burst healing required after the toxic link has been relinquished. Far too many times have I witnessed healers unwilling to activate CD's to quickly top off the affected victims of a severed toxic link. On top of that, DPS can not or does not maneuver out of the breath, or the various venomous mechanics that afflict players later on in the encounter. It's very common to watch a player die due to their attempts to leap over the poisonous labyrinth, or to trap themselves into a dead end with no escape.

[Deleted]

Hm, I'm going to give you 3/10 for a troll effort, might give you 4 if you picked an even easier boss like Jin'do

Don't call our users trolls. Thanks ~Fuzzz

[furriusmurrius]

I don't think you are in a position to judge anyone else's skill in this game, when you are furiously clicking half your binds.

For real. Also, for someone who whines about people standing in the static poison maze, omgwtfbbq they so bad right?

I caught you standing in one 30 seconds into the video. You survived merely due to a high health pool, but you got low.

U SO GUD BRA U SOLO 5 MAN CONTENTZ

[MerinPally]

Gavenrod has hit the nail on the head as he clearly read my post, others just saw "heres a venoxis solo" and then decided that we were wiping to Toxic Link.

The point I made was that in my pugs personally (maybe not for all yours) si that I very rarely if ever see problems arising from Toxic Link - the problem arises from incompetent people standing in the breath, and then trying to jump through the maze and therefore dieing, and then doing it on repeat attempts despite the fact it killed them before.

I'm sure as hell not the worlds best player or the best geared or the most skilled, and I never claim to be nor will I ever do so, but this is a wake up call when it comes to watching (arguably after their actions) better players commit trivial and life ending mistakes...again and again.

---------- Post added 2011-05-07 at 02:50 PM ----------

U SO GUD BRA U SOLO 5 MAN CONTENTZ

You've entirely missed the point of this. The whole point was that everyone makes mistakes, noone has issues with mistakes - being able to recover from your mistakes is one thing and perishing due to continued idiocy is another. And if you consider 158k a high health pool when dps in a pug have 150k from a 15% luck of the draw buff, then wow. I suppose 50% of a boss melee hit makes all the difference.

[Pafinator]

Toxic link seems buggy in general, I can't figure out why, even when people properly execute the separation, toxic link STILL takes like 90% of their health.

People don't know how to avoid his breath when he's a snake.

People cant interrupt the whispers ability.

The maze damage seems to come before it's actually visible, it's kinda screwed up. I got 2 shot yesterday on my hunter and the image of the "green" hadn't even fully formed yet.

Download the add on GTFO off of curse gaming. It allows you to hear if youre standing in stuff.

---------- Post added 2011-05-07 at 01:56 PM ----------

The only one is the toxic link and that is never the issue when I pug it. The issue is when he turns into a snake and shoots beams from the sky. Toxic Link is a test to check you have a pulse, nothing more than that. The maze is static for gods sake and people insist on running into it?

The game initially draws the maze when it 1st appears, and as I stated above, you take damage when the maze isn't even full rendered. (cant see the green, yet you're taking damage based on where it "will be")

Once the maze is rendered, theres no excuse for stepping on it.

[Lomppa]

Dont know what all the fuzz always is about dungeons. If i do a hc and if my sixth wow sence picks up on the trash that this grp dont know what they are doing i just tell it out on /p without any hostility, and if we should wipe on a boss i always give it another go where i tell ppl what we did wrong. Avoid getting hostile directly on a player. Rather just tell it like it was the whole grps fault. Am sure the ppl who say they are getting kicked when they give out pointers to ppl is cus they are raging it out.

[MerinPally]

Once the maze is rendered, theres no excuse for stepping on it.

And its then, that people step on it. Bad luck or an unfortunate circumstance (mistakes) I have no issue with, neither does anyone I enjoy playing wow with. However, by the time he runs up the stairs, the maze is fully rendered, and its THEN that people step in it. They manage the difficult part then flounder once it's clear to see

[Culexus]

Ive seen alot of people over and over and over dying from the poison lines. Next try they die again. The try after that they die again. And then ask "couldnt you jump over the poison???" *sigh*

[Uennie]

I don't think you are in a position to judge anyone else's skill in this game, when you are furiously clicking half your binds.

Am I reading this right or am I assuming that you believe the best people in this game are fluidly stroking their keys with calm collectiveness and suave confidence.

[Henry7212]

I was really disappointed in ZA/ZG, I logged onto my warrior who had full 2200 pvp gear, plopped on my sword and shield and pugged both with 1 wipe, the fights were just ridiculously easy... I hope firelands doesn't disappoint.

[Pantelija]

Venoxis isnt hard

Only problems are :

1) tank is playing valcer with him , moving him like hippie on some bad drugs thus making his breath hit other people
2) tank is moving him into the laviyrint posion stuff
3) 0 interrupts on Whisper spell
4) people dont kite poison rays (YES u can actually kite them , group up at one spot and move like one person)