"In today’s America, conservatives who actually want to conserve are as rare as liberals who actually want to liberate. The once-significant language of an earlier era has had the meaning sucked right out of it, the better to serve as camouflage for a kleptocratic feeding frenzy in which both establishment parties participate with equal abandon" (Taking a break from the criminal, incompetent liars at the NSA, to bring you the above political observation, from The Archdruid Report.)
I think the Hodor situation is unique. Think about it this way.. all the desperation of the last words you hear as you die, being transmitted into your brain. I do not think it was just the Brann connection that made Willis have a siezure, it was also the fact that Hodor was dying while hearing those words.
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Hodor definitely was a creation of GRR Martin, there is no way that part was added by D&D.
As someone who writes myself.. Think about this.. He has kept Hodor a secret for 25 years. All this time GRR Martin has known that Hodor would die holding a door. It must be an insane feeling for him to follow twitter and stuff tonight and see fan reaction to stuff like that. 25 years.. holy crap.
I think what's hilarious is that if we didn't know GRRM made up the Hodor thing, you'd have the usual suspects talking about how fucking stupid it and D&D are for writing that. Y'all know for a fact this would happen, don't lie to yourselves.
I saw it happening immediately after the episode ended, but suddenly everybody changed their mind when the "Behind the episode" came out and they said it was GRRM's idea.
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Sure it wasn't just made up on the spot, but it's not like this Hodor bit had to have any real planning behind it. Using a form of time travel means they could've fit his scene in basically anywhere without much need for writing.
As soon as the character is able to manipulate the past, you can basically explain any plot point you want :P
People give a bit too much credit to the writing for something just because he said he had the idea from the start.
Because it would be boring as fuck if every time two character were shown together on the show they had to recount every detail of everything they ( and we) knew. It is safe to assume that they share information off-screen Jon tells Sansa everything about what he experienced, Sansa tells Jon everything she experienced, and only the interesting stuff is shown onscreen. Like Brienne mentioning to Davos about seeing the shadow-killer etc.
Do you really want to watch a 20 minute scene where Sansa tells Jon every detail about everything we saw from her time in King´s landing? Do we really need a scene where Jon says ´yeah, Benjin is lost north of the wall´ and Sansa says´oh, that sucks´.. There is no point in showing stuff unless it is going to affect the future.
They only have 1 hour per episode, there just is no reason for us to rehear stuff we already know.
This is where time traveling somewhat ruins stories for me, but I am assuming they are using the single time dimension route where everything is destined. Brann was destined to fuck up and require Willis to "hold the door", so the past Willis has met future Brann before Brann was even born.
The wise wolf who's pride is her wisdom isn't so sharp as drunk.
This is what happens when a plot character over-acts his part. Bronn is not supposed to be a ´character´ on the show.. he was added to achieve a plot objective for Tyrian, but then the actor/part become popular and he was added to the Dorn stuff.. But he plays no part in the wars to come, so will probably just disappear like dozens of other characters. As a writer, you have two choices, disappear into the sunset or random kill-off. There just is not enough space or devices to give everyone a realistic ending to their personal story.
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Secret rule for GoT.... never, ever masturbate to a red priestess... it never turns out good.
Tormund is my favorite character right now. All he has to do is smile awkwardly and harrumph a little. I LOVE how fascinated he is with Brienne. The actor plays his perfectly.
If he has the ability to save them in the past, they would already be alive in the present. In other words, the only things he ´can´affect in the past are things which result in the present being exactly the way it is now.
Go watch the vase scene from the matrix. that will really blow your mind.
I don't quite understand the point of Hodor holding the door? Sure they escaped for right then but how far can one girl manage to get dragging Bran behind her in a Blizzard? Won't it be trivial for the WW's to catch those two? Or are they going to get saved by some Deus Ex Machina next episode?
Or if they are being let go on purpose so the WW's can follow them across the wall cause mark, then Hodor and Summer dying made no difference to anything?
I definitely think the time travel thing and Bran warging into Hodor is stupid, and the timey wimey nonsense, etc, whether GRRM wrote it or not. The idea planted in his mind of needing to "hold [a] door" driving him mad to the point that it's the only thing he said is poignant enough, but I don't think I can take the journey necessary to get there.
You have a giant, that for 25 years (real time) only says 1 word. Then after 25 years you reveal the hold the door moment.
For me, the good writing part is that it is a rather unique situation to have that character to begin with, but then to hold the meaning for so long in the books without revealing it. I mean think about it. Back in 1990ish is when GRR Martin created the word Hodor... and in 2016 is the first time people find out the reason for that name. The closest thing I could think of was the Vygr thing from the original Star Trek movie... but there the first time we heard Vygr to the moment we understood the meaning of the word was only about 2 years. Freakin GRR Martin wrote like 8000 pages of novels and still hasn´t revealed it in the book.
damn poor hodor... his story was so sad. also how did the girl helping brann kill a whitewalker (not the brainless ones, one of the blue ones) with a shitty spears ? I thought you needed a special kind of weapon to kill them ?
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