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    Quote Originally Posted by Gungtah View Post
    This, get behind 7 proxies.
    Or just 1...

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    by the time you get a temp ban it is to late,
    Diablo2 holds' connections to their servers

    go to cmd prompt and type in netstat -b (this is used for Dclone hunting if you are looking to join a specific server as well)
    but each time you create a game you get a connection that says TIME_WAIT

    these go away by themselves after a time, BUT if you get X number in Y amount of time, your CD KEY is temp banned, changing IP really will not solve it, there are ways to 'change' your cd key, but ofc you need a legit Bnet cd key(2+ copies of Diablo2)
    what this does is - you get more TIME_WAIT's but they are linked to another key so no temp ban.

    sometimes if you know you are getting up there you can reset your dsl / cable modem, and then ipconfig /renew
    which will clear all current connections.

    hope i helped.
    Still I cry, tears like pouring rain, Innocent is my lurid pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenzing21 View Post
    Wow, just... wow. So much fail. Your machine has a lease, not your router.
    Actually, your modem gets the lease from the ISP, not your computer or router. If your router has DHCP enabled, it then leases out local/internal IPs to your computers.

    Quote Originally Posted by tenzing21 View Post
    If your lease expires, DHCP (which resides inside your machine, not your "modem mac" (wtf that is...) enables itself (again, from within the parameters your machine has, you need to read up on windows allocation states) and requests a new lease.
    No. That's really not how it works at all. When the IP lease expires, the modem simply requests a new IP. With most ISPs today, they simply re-grant you the same IP address. It has nothing to do with your computer or router. DHCP also doesn't "enable itself". It's either on or off.

    Quote Originally Posted by tenzing21 View Post
    Your router sniffs ip headers, and assigns traffic (like to a local network, if one exists, or a internet service provider, usually) and then Host controls take over.
    What does this have to do with IP lease expiration?

    Quote Originally Posted by tenzing21 View Post
    Since you have ZERO idea wtf you are talking about (and your ability to articulate your point is non-extant), I'd suggest you apologize to me. But yeah, like that's gonna happen. Basement much?
    You might want to check your own information before telling other people that they have no idea about networking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilraaz View Post
    Actually, your modem gets the lease from the ISP, not your computer or router. If your router has DHCP enabled, it then leases out local/internal IPs to your computers.
    So, you are on record as saying that if I remove DHCP from my computer, my router will get a lease for me instead? My "router" is now a client on the network? Is that what you are trying to tell me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenzing21 View Post
    So, you are on record as saying that if I remove DHCP from my computer, my router will get a lease for me instead? My "router" is now a client on the network? Is that what you are trying to tell me?
    If you remove DHCP on your computer it will no longer search for a DHCP server to request an IP address from (and normally your Router replies to this request). The computer will require there to be a preset address in the TCP/IP configuration settings for that NIC.

    Your router will continue to request its IP address from the WAN port, your ISP, and will in fact not notice that change at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkXale View Post
    If you remove DHCP on your computer it will no longer search for a DHCP server to request an IP address from (and normally your Router replies to this request). The computer will require there to be a preset address in the TCP/IP configuration settings for that NIC.

    Your router will continue to request its IP address from the WAN port, your ISP, and will in fact not notice that change at all.
    So, when my current lease expires, if the client that the DHCP was removed from is now in need of a new lease, will the router even get as far as asking your IP for it? No. A DHCP request is made by a client. A router is just a simple device that knows what your IP packet headers are. You would need a windows-based machine (or equivalent) to have DHCP in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenzing21 View Post
    A router is just a simple device that knows what your IP packet headers are.
    Oh great, we've run into someone that doesn't realize we're talking about home "Routers", perhaps more correctly named Residential Gateways - which includes DHCP server systems, NAT/PAT, firewall rules, in addition to implementing the capability of a multiport-bridge or router.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenzing21 View Post
    Lol, yeah whatever. How about you troll less, troll.



    Wow, just... wow. So much fail. Your machine has a lease, not your router. If your lease expires, DHCP (which resides inside your machine, not your "modem mac" (wtf that is...) enables itself (again, from within the parameters your machine has, you need to read up on windows allocation states) and requests a new lease. Your router sniffs ip headers, and assigns traffic (like to a local network, if one exists, or a internet service provider, usually) and then Host controls take over.

    Since you have ZERO idea wtf you are talking about (and your ability to articulate your point is non-extant), I'd suggest you apologize to me. But yeah, like that's gonna happen. Basement much?



    I... said that.
    Okay... not to sound off too much here, but umm... I think you read a few things and think you know some things, but don't fully understand how networks work.

    We'll start basic:

    Your Cable or DSL Modem obtains a certificate from your ISP, which in turn grants it access to the Network.
    The Device connected to your Cable Modem, whether it is a router or computer (often referred by the ISP as a CPE, or Customer Premise Equipment), reports it's MAC Address to the Cable Modem during DHCP Negotiations. This is a unique, hardware encoded address. Such an address is 12 Hexadecimal Digits. An example would be AA:BB:00:99:EE:FF, though the combinations tend to be much more complicated.
    Once the DHCP Server on your ISP's side negotiates the connection, it passes an IP Address, DNS Address, and various other parameters to the device connected to your modem (CPE).
    For simplicities sake, most ISPs reserve that IP Address to the MAC Address of the CPE for a set amount of time, which varies by ISP and Region. This is called a DHCP Lease, and common examples are 24 Hours, 48 hours, 72 hours, or 168 hours.
    This means that even if you unplug the cable modem and CPE and restart everything during the duration of the lease reservation, you will still get the same IP Address.
    Now, if you have a router, and your computer is plugged into the router, your IP Address would be private (eg 192.168.1.101), though the WAN (Wide Area Network) port has a different IP Address, which (pretty much) NEVER starts with 192. Routers have their own DHCP Servers built in for the Local Area Network that can usually be configured. This address lease HAS NO BEARING on outside WAN lease. As such, your router receives a lease from the ISP, then your machine(s) receive a lease from your router. These are two separate things that should NOT be confused.
    Now, back to the OPs question.
    If you have a router, and you are IP Banned, you could technically unplug your cable modem, and plug your computer directly into the cable modem (thus bypassing the router), and plug in the cable modem. This would force your ISP to change your IP Address, since the 'old' IP Address would be tied to the unique hardware (MAC) address of the router, which would be different than your computers MAC Address.
    Last edited by Bajor; 2011-05-20 at 05:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bajor View Post
    Okay... not to sound off too much here, but umm... I think you read a few things and think you know some things, but don't fully understand how networks work.

    We'll start basic:

    If you have a router, and you are IP Banned, you could technically unplug your cable modem, and plug your computer directly into the cable modem (thus bypassing the router), and plug in the cable modem. This would force your ISP to change your IP Address, since the 'old' IP Address would be tied to the unique hardware (MAC) address of the router, which would be different than your computers MAC Address.
    Can I ask you a question? Have you read the entire thread? I said a few posts back, that if you restart your router, then ~immediately~ unplug it, that was how you get around the ban.

    Hmm. I notice that, even tho I asked a simple question, i.e., "is your router able to request initial bootup time network-pertinant infomation- IP addy, gateway information (to get traffic where it's Headed, cough cough) and subnet mask?"

    No answer is forthcoming, because DHCP and it's broadcast requests require a computer of some sort. Your DHCP certificate allows you access after your DHCP server handshakes with your DHCP client that all is kosher, and has nothing whatsoever to do with a locally-administer MAC address.

    If people would read the entire thread, all of this wold be clearer.

    Since, no, routers do not broadcast DHCP commands or queries, if you do as I mentioned earlier, and others have suggested as well, make it so your router is completely off, then get new DHCP info, you'll be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tenzing21 View Post
    Can I ask you a question? Have you read the entire thread? I said a few posts back, that if you restart your router, then ~immediately~ unplug it, that was how you get around the ban.
    Ummm.
    that is an odd suggestion. Perhaps it works for your isp, but I know my isp binds dhcp leases to the mac address of the device connected to the modem and the only way to get an early dhcp lease renewal is to change the mac address of the device connected to the modem. In my case it is easy because I can just spoof an address using tomato firmware that I have installed on my router. Some routers have that option with stock firmware.

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    your ip of 192.168.1.1 is a private IP and is used behind your router, to the internet it is translated in a public IP, given to you by your ISP.

    resetting your router doesn't help. your ISP gives you the IP, not the router. there might be illigal tools to make it look like you use a different IP but I dont know any of them. nor do I encurage to use them.

    MAC adresses also have nothing to do with your IP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 44thsavage View Post
    your ip of 192.168.1.1 is a private IP and is used behind your router, to the internet it is translated in a public IP, given to you by your ISP.

    resetting your router doesn't help. your ISP gives you the IP, not the router. there might be illigal tools to make it look like you use a different IP but I dont know any of them. nor do I encurage to use them.

    MAC adresses also have nothing to do with your IP.
    And public IPs don't always require a certificate. edit, with a privacy key, sorry.

    Oh and command-line ipconfig commands could also help.
    Last edited by tenzing21; 2011-05-20 at 06:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 44thsavage View Post
    MAC adresses also have nothing to do with your IP.
    They're actually extremely related; as MAC addresses use globally unique IDs that are set at the factory. As such when establishing local/physical connections by remembering MAC addresses you know whether or not that NIC has connected in the past and as such know whether you need to give it a new IP address, or whether that NIC has recently had an IP address assigned to it. (non-expired lease)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkXale View Post
    They're actually extremely related; as MAC addresses use globally unique IDs that are set at the factory. As such when establishing local/physical connections by remembering MAC addresses you know whether or not that NIC has connected in the past and as such know whether you need to give it a new IP address, or whether that NIC has recently had an IP address assigned to it. (non-expired lease)
    I was talking about the IP ban, if you get an IP ban the MAC has nothing to do with it. If you can somehow change your IP, but your MAC stays the same, it wont matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenzing21 View Post
    Since you have ZERO idea wtf you are talking about (and your ability to articulate your point is non-extant), I'd suggest you apologize to me. But yeah, like that's gonna happen. Basement much?

    I... said that.
    Long time lurker, made this account because I found myself reading Tenzing's portions of this post with my mouth agape...

    As my newly-acquired (and soon to be banned) username suggests, people who ask loaded questions they already *think* they know the answer to is pitiful and not helpful in the least. Tenzing, stop... the question was already answered, properly, at the beginning of this thread. Lolercaust is absolutely right, spoof'ed MAC = new DHCP lease.

    Though I simply don't have the motivation to pick apart each individual post, you can rest assured that they are riddled with errors, omissions and outright fabrications.

    I audibly laughed when you said that a router isn't a computer, therefor incapable of obtaining a DHCP lease. 'Twas a good one. Your Google-Fu needs work grasshoppa'

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenzing21 View Post
    So, you are on record as saying that if I remove DHCP from my computer, my router will get a lease for me instead? My "router" is now a client on the network? Is that what you are trying to tell me?
    You realize the difference between a NAT address and a publicly-routable address, right? If you remove DHCP from your computer, it can no longer pull a NAT address (internal, either 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x, etc) from your router. It still has nothing to do with the address seen by the internet, which is pulled from your ISP by your modem.

    Also, your router is effectively a small, purpose-build computer. It has all the standard components of a computer, but in a different form. People have been building linux boxes as routers with build-in honeypots for years.

    Quote Originally Posted by tenzing21 View Post
    So, when my current lease expires, if the client that the DHCP was removed from is now in need of a new lease, will the router even get as far as asking your IP for it? No. A DHCP request is made by a client. A router is just a simple device that knows what your IP packet headers are. You would need a windows-based machine (or equivalent) to have DHCP in the first place.
    Again, NAT vs publicly-routable. If you removed DHCP from a client (for instance, all of the computers on my network, which use static NAT addresses), then it won't try to pull a new IP from your router. Zero impact on your external IP.

    Also, the PM suggesting that I'm the one needing an "internet primer" on networking was cute. You might look into a few for yourself if you can't understand NAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilraaz View Post
    (internal, either 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x, etc).
    or 172.16.x.x to 172.31.x.x just to be complete


    oh and Cilraaz is right, if your PC is behind a router, it is the router asking for the IP, the "client" or your PC doesn't ever get that IP, it is translated with the NAT protocol.

    maby you should read up on your networking tenzing21
    Last edited by mmocefd74b7d86; 2011-05-20 at 12:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenzingknowsnothing View Post
    I audibly laughed when you said that a router isn't a computer, therefor incapable of obtaining a DHCP lease.
    That was also the first time I face palmed in real life.

    There is loads of "fake" I.T Specialists on the internet which is really annoying and never helps the user with their problem. “If you don’t know the subject, don’t post incorrect/madeup/googled rubbish” it’s not helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bajor View Post
    If you have a router, and you are IP Banned, you could technically unplug your cable modem, and plug your computer directly into the cable modem (thus bypassing the router), and plug in the cable modem. This would force your ISP to change your IP Address, since the 'old' IP Address would be tied to the unique hardware (MAC) address of the router, which would be different than your computers MAC Address.
    is this true? if you connect your PC dirrectly to your cable, wont it just resent the same IP? or does it actually get randomly sellected from an ip pool?

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    No. It's not true. Your modem's IP from your ISP is still under lease, so it wouldn't be changed. On top of this, most broadband ISPs will re-grant the same IP when the lease time is up. For instance, before I got FiOS, I had a cable modem. I did not have the static IP option from the ISP (it was $20 extra). I had the same IP for about a year, regardless of modem/router resets (or even forcably releasing/renewing my IP at the modem level).

    There are two effective ways to change your IP: call your ISP and request a change, or hide behind a proxy.

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