[Movies] The Hobbit Trilogy (Possible Spoilers)

[Kelcur]

You have to be action-blind to consider the battle scenes stereotypical.

The amount of fanboy going on for this movie is atrocious. Do you honestly think this was a good movie? Let's take this out of the LOTR universe and rate this movie on its own quality. It was god fucking awful, boring and absolutely had no tension. There was one scene where the human kills that Orc while riding a wagon and me and my girlfriend looked at each other and starting balling. The kids couldn't even move out of the way? The wagon had to go right over them? I mean I really just don't understand how someone can watch this movie and think it was a decent film. 60% on rotten tomatoes is WAY more than it deserved.

[Arrowstormen]

The amount of fanboy going on for this movie is atrocious. Do you honestly think this was a good movie? Let's take this out of the LOTR universe and rate this movie on its own quality. It was god fucking awful, boring and absolutely had no tension. There was one scene where the human kills that Orc while riding a wagon and me and my girlfriend looked at each other and starting balling. The kids couldn't even move out of the way? The wagon had to go right over them? I mean I really just don't understand how someone can watch this movie and think it was a decent film. 60% on rotten tomatoes is WAY more than it deserved.

You have to be pretty blind in your dislike of the film to lose the ability to see why some people would think this movie is great. I can't in any shape or form agree with the belief that the movie had no tension, was boring, or was "god fucking awful".

[Kelcur]

You have to be pretty blind in your dislike of the film to lose the ability to see why some people would think this movie is great. I can't in any shape or form agree with the belief that the movie had no tension, was boring, or was "god fucking awful".

Ok let's say I'm a blind hater who just can't stand hobbits. Now Tell me why you think this movie is GREAT. There's a reason why critics gave this movie a low score, it's a bad movie...It had absolutely no direction, plot was all over the place and it just like the previous 2 movies was wayyyyyyyyyyy to long. Peter Jackson should of tried to make one solid film instead of 3 movies with too much filler and too much CGI. I mean damn it wasn't even a good children's movie. How to train a dragon was 10x better lol.

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You have to be action-blind to consider the battle scenes stereotypical.

They were incredibly stereotypical. It was all one long succession of characters getting saved at the last minute when the enemy could have just finished them off. Also, logically the good guys should have lost. There was no logical explanation for how the forces of good managed to rally against the massively larger army, they just did...somehow. Also, par the course for the Hobbit movies there was a tonne of cartoon crap, like Thranduil's Elk catching like 10 orcs on it's antlers, or Legolas grabbing onto a War bat, or the huge hammerhead troll knocking itself out to smash down the walls of Dale.

[theturn]

Also; I counted: Beorn has less than 100 seconds of total screen time in the entire film trilogy. Very disappointing. He got three-four chapters of major appearances in the book!

You would think 3 movies about a 200 page book would be able to include one of the most important characters from the book. I guess a pointless love story and Bombur the pinball were more important.

[xylophone]

They were incredibly stereotypical. It was all one long succession of characters getting saved at the last minute when the enemy could have just finished them off. Also, logically the good guys should have lost. There was no logical explanation for how the forces of good managed to rally against the massively larger army, they just did...somehow. Also, par the course for the Hobbit movies there was a tonne of cartoon crap, like Thranduil's Elk catching like 10 orcs on it's antlers, or Legolas grabbing onto a War bat, or the huge hammerhead troll knocking itself out to smash down the walls of Dale.

Thorin is a dwarf pally and put his aura on. It was supposed to be like the flashback is movie 1 where the dwarves were losing the battle and they turned the tide when he disarmed Azog.

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Thorin is a dwarf pally and put his aura on. It was supposed to be like the flashback is movie 1 where the dwarves were losing the battle and they turned the tide when he disarmed Azog.

I realise that morale is an important factor in battles, but it doesn't change the fact that there was like a hundred Dwarves versus a thousand Orcs. Or whatever. They where seriously outnumbered is the point, and had no strategic advantage. They could have taken shelter in Erebor and had a good old fashioned Siege. Wouldn't have been from the books, but that's hardly an issue here and it at least would have made things internally consistent.

[xylophone]

I realise that morale is an important factor in battles, but it doesn't change the fact that there was like a hundred Dwarves versus a thousand Orcs. Or whatever. They where seriously outnumbered is the point, and had no strategic advantage. They could have taken shelter in Erebor and had a good old fashioned Siege. Wouldn't have been from the books, but that's hardly an issue here and it at least would have made things internally consistent.

I wasn't defending it, I was just saying what I though the intention of the writers was.

[Deleted]

They were incredibly stereotypical. It was all one long succession of characters getting saved at the last minute when the enemy could have just finished them off. Also, logically the good guys should have lost. There was no logical explanation for how the forces of good managed to rally against the massively larger army, they just did...somehow. Also, par the course for the Hobbit movies there was a tonne of cartoon crap, like Thranduil's Elk catching like 10 orcs on it's antlers, or Legolas grabbing onto a War bat, or the huge hammerhead troll knocking itself out to smash down the walls of Dale.

Of course there is a reason why they triumphed, they pulled togehter, they stood valiantly, and they triumphed over overwhelming odds. Honor, courage, bravery, wins out.

You have to look at a book in the context of when it was written and who it was written for. the book was a childrens book, written at a particular time in history where this kind of sentiment resonated.

Just ignore the giant shit Jackson has taken on the book in the production of these "movies" (or more accutately self masturbation ego trips), with their ridiculous length, boring drawn out portrayal of what is a very tightly written and well paced book, and the stupid introduction of characters not in the book and over use of comedy fights and action sequences.

These films are shit. they totally destroy the beauty of the work that was the Hobbit, which was a finely crafted childrens book written in a particular style, jackson just takes a massive shit all over it.

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I feel like most of the "criticism" is simply split-a-book-into-multiple-movies allergy, which seems to be the new "sequels are bad". I personally think it has worked just fine.

No, the Hobbit is a brilliant book, the style the pacing the tone are all perfect for a childrens story.
the movies are just crass commercialisation of the IP in order to rake in money, they miss the tone, the pacing and the character of the books, they fuck up the story and they drag what is a nice, fairly short, childrens tale out into three long, boring, slowly paced movies, and have to inject some rather shite action sequences in to try to keep the audience from falling asleep.

LOTR can get away with it, its a tale of much more epic proportions, the Hobbit is not, and was never ever meant to be. to do what Jackson has done to this IP is just to show that he did not understand or appreciate the work, and was just interested in making a trilogy dedicated to his own overpowering ego.

[Deleted]

Of course there is a reason why they triumphed, they pulled togehter, they stood valiantly, and they triumphed over overwhelming odds. Honor, courage, bravery, wins out.

You have to look at a book in the context of when it was written and who it was written for. the book was a childrens book, written at a particular time in history where this kind of sentiment resonated.

Just ignore the giant shit Jackson has taken on the book in the production of these "movies" (or more accutately self masturbation ego trips), with their ridiculous length, boring drawn out portrayal of what is a very tightly written and well paced book, and the stupid introduction of characters not in the book and over use of comedy fights and action sequences.

These films are shit. they totally destroy the beauty of the work that was the Hobbit, which was a finely crafted childrens book written in a particular style, jackson just takes a massive shit all over it.

Well we're talking about the films here, and the films clearly deviate from the children's book routes and have been designed as fantasy epics. "Good prevailed because of bravery and awesomeness" doesn't cut it.

Doesn't really cut it in a children's book either. Are we not teaching kids military strategy these days?

[xylophone]

No, the Hobbit is a brilliant book, the style the pacing the tone are all perfect for a childrens story.
the movies are just crass commercialisation of the IP in order to rake in money, they miss the tone, the pacing and the character of the books, they fuck up the story and they drag what is a nice, fairly short, childrens tale out into three long, boring, slowly paced movies, and have to inject some rather shite action sequences in to try to keep the audience from falling asleep.

LOTR can get away with it, its a tale of much more epic proportions, the Hobbit is not, and was never ever meant to be. to do what Jackson has done to this IP is just to show that he did not understand or appreciate the work, and was just interested in making a trilogy dedicated to his own overpowering ego.

I think two movies including the Dol Goldur/White Council elements would have worked. It would have made it tie in with the LOTR story nicely for people who haven't read the source material.

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Well we're talking about the films here, and the films clearly deviate from the children's book routes and have been designed as fantasy epics. "Good prevailed because of bravery and awesomeness" doesn't cut it.

Doesn't really cut it in a children's book either. Are we not teaching kids military strategy these days?

I agree, how will they cut it in modern society?

[Templar 331]

I liked it.

I went in knowing full well they were going to bloat this movie as much as possible. But I was okay with that because I would rather have WAY too much bloat than not enough content or crammed content. Even with all of the over the top stuff it was entertaining. The "dragon sickness" lasted a good while but it kind of had to. It would have been even stupider to have him suddenly realize "oh, maybe I shouldn't be a dick" instead of slowly realizing it like he did. I wished the White Council fight lasted longer though. :/ And when Thorin's little group split off I was thinking "who's going to die first."

And Dane and his army were freaking awesome!

[Throren]

Doesn't really cut it in a children's book either. Are we not teaching kids military strategy these days?

Oh no, how will our youth ever function without knowing how to properly strategize for a battle with giant trolls, orcs, elves and dwarves with weaponry and technology that hasn't been used in our world in hundreds of years! What ever shall we do!? How will our kids be successful in life!

What a joke.

[Ciddy]

Finally got to go see it today. I was expecting some filler, and there was, but I loved all of it. Great movie. I might actually go see it again.

And Dane and his army were freaking awesome!

Yeah, he was. Loved that bit where he was knocking out Orcs with headbutts, when they were wearing helmets while he wasn't.

When I first saw him in the movie, I was trying to remember who that actor was because I knew I'd seen him before. Looked him up on IMDB after I got home, and it was the same guy who played the dad in Boondock Saints.

Also: Cate Blanchett is still hot.

[Throren]

Finally got to go see it today. I was expecting some filler, and there was, but I loved all of it. Great movie. I might actually go see it again.



Yeah, he was. Loved that bit where he was knocking out Orcs with headbutts, when they were wearing helmets while he wasn't.

When I first saw him in the movie, I was trying to remember who that actor was because I knew I'd seen him before. Looked him up on IMDB after I got home, and it was the same guy who played the dad in Boondock Saints.

Also: Cate Blanchett is still hot.

Ya Billy Connolly did a great job with Dain

One of my gripes though is they never mentioned how Dain ends up King under the Mountain.

[Ciddy]

Ya Billy Connolly did a great job with Dain
One of my gripes though is they never mentioned how Dain ends up King under the Mountain.

Yeah. I can't remember where, but I read somewhere that Dain will get a few more scenes to better tell his story when the extended edition of the movie comes out. Hopefully, that's true. Dain was awesome and badass to the very end.

[Throren]

Yeah. I can't remember where, but I read somewhere that Dain will get a few more scenes to better tell his story when the extended edition of the movie comes out. Hopefully, that's true. Dain was awesome and badass to the very end.

Agreed, and he is a badass when Erebor is attacked AGAIN during the War of the ring (never mentioned in the movie)

[Arrowstormen]

Agreed, and he is a badass when Erebor is attacked AGAIN during the War of the ring (never mentioned in the movie)

Never mentioned in the book either.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Agreed, and he is a badass when Erebor is attacked AGAIN during the War of the ring (never mentioned in the movie)

Christopher Tolkien hasn't allowed Warner Bros. the rights to almost anything outside of the Hobbit and original trilogy. That's probably for the best, seeing how they'd run away with franchise with blatant disregard for the author's intent the moment they had the chance.

And it's spelled Dain, not Dane. #SomeoneWhosReadTheBook

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Never mentioned in the book either.

Comes from Tolkien's notes.

[Throren]

And it's spelled Dain, not Dane. #SomeoneWhosReadTheBook

I never saidt it as Dane? I have always spelt it as Dain (Technically Dáin but the accent is annoying to type) I have read the books as well.