25man harder than 10man??

[Deleted]

Is it just my opinion that 10man is way easier than 25man??


we had 2weeks ago not enough player for our 25man raid, so we went 10man BoT and instantly got 2new first kills..council heroic and chogal heroic..
this weeek we killed alakir in 10man heroic on the 6th attempt...so we did 12/13heroic in just 2weeks on ten man, and normaly we just raid 25man..

so it seems that ten man heroic is definatly the freeloot version...what do you think??

[Deleted]

I think you have 15 free loaders in your 25 man

[Dorkman007]

To be completely honest, imo 10man is atm more challenging than 25man (this obviuosly varies on a fight per fight basis).

I'm guessing you took your 10 best players out of your 25man grp and steamrolled 10man content, so ye, the other 15 guys are probably not on par with your 10man core, or you wouldn't be thinking this way.

[Deleted]

Yes, in current state 10 man is easier in 90% of the fights.

Most of the people that are going "omfg 10 manz hard" have usually never even tried 25 man and is just saying that because their guild is bad.

I have 13/13 in both 10 man and 25 man since we stopped raiding 25 man a month ago.

We pretty much one shotted every fight when we switched to 10 man, even got the achievement on sinestra for the first time.

[Deleted]

no...we had two 10man raids and both did the same...+



i mean in 25man you have lesser space to move, more rng-factors and more players who can wipe the raid..

[Deleted]

no...we had two 10man raids and both did the same...+



i mean in 25man you have lesser space to move, more rng-factors and more players who can wipe the raid..

Did you mean to say 'Yes' in the beginning Since the rest you said seemed to point towards that.

[Deleted]

If you have 25 skilled players, and 10 skilled players, the 25m version will be easier in most cases. Al'Akir hc is a fight which is noticably easier on 10 man due to the space, but that's pretty much it.

If you have 10 skilled players, and do 25m, then obviously 10 man would be easier with the better players.

Hard to see the logic OP?

I'm not gonna buy that you had two 10 man groups and steamrolled heroics you couldn't do in 25 man. Sounds like bullshit to me.

[Ishimada]

I say 10-man is harder. Compared to 25-man, its not such a big loss if in your raid, 5 dies on 25-man, compared to 2 dying in 10-man.

[Evolixe]

Not this shit again /sigh

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...3097?page=5#82

The only "problem" here is people's egos desperately trying to find anything that would justify them saying "I am more pro simply because I picked this specific raid size". Seriously, get over yourselves. At the start of Cata 10man HC's were beyond brutal, yes, but that's been fixed.

QFT.

And it goes both ways. Get the f** over yourselves and realise its the same fu%#$ing thing. Right now, not a single encounter is undoable. Some are more setup depandant, but does that make them harder, or any different? I didn't think so.

/end vent

[Irisel]

I say 10 man is easier too. It's easier to have 10 solid players than 25 solid players...

[Deleted]

I say 10-man is harder. Compared to 25-man, its not such a big loss if in your raid, 5 dies on 25-man, compared to 2 dying in 10-man.

Although in 10 man most mechanics are a complete joke compared to 25 man, since you have alot of room to spread out on all the "spread"-mechanics become trivial, and pretty much everything is easier to handle, so if you die in a 10 man you are just bad. In 25 man there are alot more chaos due to less space for example on AC heroic, in 25 man you get 3 targets with lightning beacon, thats is 3 people that need to watch out for 24 other people. In 10 man you have 1 guy that needs to look out for 1 guy.

In 10 man nefarian, you only get 1 cinder, I mean that is a complete joke. It was so fun in 25 man when you got 3 cinders ont he same platform and both healers got it. Its about adapting.

In a 25 man there is just so much more that can go wrong and the risk of dieng is alot bigger, + loosing 1 player in 25 man during progress is most often a wipe. If we lost 1 player, we would not have made the enrage on e.g. Maloriak, Chimaeron, V&T etc on our first kills. All our first kills on those was made with 25 players alive and right on the enrage.

Also, I am rather sure we could 8 man pretty much most heroic modes, loosing 2 players in 10 man is not that bad. I believe Cho'Gall, Sinestra and maybe Conclave would be difficult to 8 man, but the rest should be completely 8 mannable.

[Deleted]

Although in 10 man most mechanics are a complete joke compared to 25 man, since you have alot of room to spread out on all the "spread"-mechanics become trivial, and pretty much everything is easier to handle, so if you die in a 10 man you are just bad. In 25 man there are alot more chaos due to less space for example on AC heroic, in 25 man you get 3 targets with lightning beacon, thats is 3 people that need to watch out for 24 other people. In 10 man you have 1 guy that needs to look out for 1 guy.

In 10 man nefarian, you only get 1 cinder, I mean that is a complete joke. It was so fun in 25 man when you got 3 cinders ont he same platform and both healers got it. Its about adapting.

In a 25 man there is just so much more that can go wrong and the risk of dieng is alot bigger, + loosing 1 player in 25 man during progress is most often a wipe. If we lost 1 player, we would not have made the enrage on e.g. Maloriak, Chimaeron, V&T etc on our first kills. All our first kills on those was made with 25 players alive and right on the enrage.

Also, I am rather sure we could 8 man pretty much most heroic modes, loosing 2 players in 10 man is not that bad. I believe Cho'Gall, Sinestra and maybe Conclave would be difficult to 8 man, but the rest should be completely 8 mannable.

This is not entirely true. Yes you have less room in 25 man, but you also have alot more raid cooldowns to blow. Al'Akir is probably the only exeption.
It's not unusual for our 25 man group to have 2-3 mana tides, 2 hymns, raid walls, 2+ tranquilitys etc. In our 10 man group we have maybe 2 raid-wide cooldowns in total.

Try sinestra on 10 man.

Most 25 man heroic fights are 20-man able so I'm not sure where you're going with the 8-man able theory on 10 man. Also, lose 1 healer in 10 man and it's pretty much a whipe due to the other/s going oom or not being able to keep up.

You're pulling the wrong examples here, since they apply for both modes, and not just 25 man or 10 man.

[Deleted]

25 man is much easier, if someone dies there it doesn't make that big a diffrence but if someone dies in 10 man you're pretty much screwed.

[Deleted]

Try sinestra on 10 man.

I did, we one shotted with "Can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am", however we had been farming it in 25 man for two months or so.

Also, I did not say 25 man heroics could not be 20 manned, I just said that everyone is sounding like to beat a 10 man heroic you need 10 players, and for 25 man heroics they can be 15 manned, which is completely wrong.

During progress, you need all 25 or all 10 players alive, though while on farm, bosses can easily be 20 manned and 8 manned.

I remember how frustrating it was wiping on 25 man bosses, knowing that if we switched to 10 man we would practically one shot them, but we decided to stay 25 man and be the bigger man. Converting down to 10 man when people left for summer was a real setdown, it felt like a huge defeat.

[Deleted]

I did, we one shotted with "Can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am", however we had been farming it in 25 man for two months or so.


Also, I did not say 25 man heroics could not be 20 manned, I just said that everyone is sounding like to beat a 10 man heroic you need 10 players, and for 25 man heroics they can be 15 manned, which is completely wrong.


During progress, you need all 25 or all 10 players alive, though while on farm, bosses can easily be 20 manned and 8 manned.

Maybe some people are exaggerating about 25 man being free loot, it certainly isnt. I'd say the both modes come pretty close to eachother in difficulty as of right now. With exceptions of course. Al'Akir being way harder on 25 man, Sinestra way harder on 10 man etc. Also, gz on the awesome achievement, I'm jelly :<

[Fleuria]

Firelands seems 25 is way harder than 10 on a lot of fights in 10man heroic we got way way way further and came close to killing 1-2 bosses where on 25 we were say 30% off

[Hermanni]

25 man is much easier, if someone dies there it doesn't make that big a diffrence but if someone dies in 10 man you're pretty much screwed.

This argument is both older than the sun and rather stupid. If you manage to die in 10M you deserve a medal and nowadays you should have that one combatres anyway in any setup. And *if* you're raiding 25HC before nerfs and before you outgear it losing that one guy without being able to c-res him relatively early on is just as much a guaranteed failure.

Example: A relatively early 9-man AC HC kill

[Deleted]

Firelands seems 25 is way harder than 10 on a lot of fights in 10man heroic we got way way way further and came close to killing 1-2 bosses where on 25 we were say 30% off

Thats because you are so fucking good mate <3

[Popmybubble]

My opinion is this. In 25 man you can afford to have a few deaths in the raid and still finish the fight. In 10 man if one person dies it's usually over unless you have really good players picking up the slack.

People are still under the WOLTK impression that 10 man is easier cause you would raid 25 man then do the 10 man in your 25 man raid gear. Now that gear is the same and the encounters are supposed to be the same so I don't know.

[Zurai]

The other way to look at it is this, doing 10man bosses with a 25man rosta is going to be far easier than doing 10man bosses with a 10man rosta.