so i got the vessel today and apparatus yesterday and im noticing a dps loss from apparatus from my H Hor i just dont think 15 seconds is enough
so i got the vessel today and apparatus yesterday and im noticing a dps loss from apparatus from my H Hor i just dont think 15 seconds is enough
Last edited by Malthanis; 2011-07-01 at 01:17 PM.
I dont play in a hardcore no-lifer guild, but in a 2 days a week "hardcore" mythic guild.
Have both these trinkets now myself, and the DPS loss is pretty big, even with all the static strength.
I dont play in a hardcore no-lifer guild, but in a 2 days a week "hardcore" mythic guild.
I know for dk's our bis trinkets are both from t11 (Heroic Heart of Rage/License to Slay( if hit is needed)/Heroic Crushing Weight) before heroic raganros, it's pretty disappointing. if ret's stat weights are anything like ours I'd imagine a similar situation.
Last edited by Varyk; 2011-07-01 at 04:59 AM.
Looks can be deceiving!
Kaizen of Mannoroth <Reckoning>
US 11 H 16/16 - Tier 14
US 9 H 13/13 - Tier 15
US 8 H 14/14 - Tier 16
Distance hearts, when rejoined as one... May find the light within.
So, in a competition with Apparatus, LoS and Essence. Which would be better?
Imo, Apparatus is a good trinket anyway, you dont have to "wait till it got 3 stacks" to burst. I always pop it with 2 or 3 anyway in the firsts seconds of the encounter. With our new gear, crit is definitely not a problem and, being so close to Mastery we can assume we will get some good crit procs. Also, through the encounter it's almost impossible to lose the 5 stacks so, the next 2 or so bursts will come max powered. The only problem I see with apparatus is that your DPS in trash mobs will decrease, but in Bosses, it's a DPS gain.
I'm using right now Apparatus and LoS since I don't have H:HoR in hands, but I still don't know if I'd use HoR instead of it.
Last edited by Defender; 2011-07-01 at 09:16 AM.
Kaizen of Mannoroth <Reckoning>
US 11 H 16/16 - Tier 14
US 9 H 13/13 - Tier 15
US 8 H 14/14 - Tier 16
Distance hearts, when rejoined as one... May find the light within.
Oh well. I got the apparatus for free out of a trash run, so at least I should be thankful I didn't have to pay up DKP for it.
went back to vessel and H hor and works like a charm. apparatus is the worst 45k i ever spent
I dont play in a hardcore no-lifer guild, but in a 2 days a week "hardcore" mythic guild.
The Apparatus was designed with Dual Wield SMF/TG/Frost in mind and not Ret. It would be likely to suck for Arms or Unholy just the same due to the fact it stacks like shit. Blizzard does the stacking thing to keep it out of the Arenas as an instant win button ala DBW 2.0.
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Hello,
I've got too Apparatus, and I take it with my H:HoR.
I take Dps, the burst is very good ! The Full Mastery with AW / Zealotry and more ! With full CD is just Good
LtS is not a very good choice for me, and i have never equip this Trinket in T11.. My choice
But I think, Appartus + Vessel.. = Crit ( vessel ) --> Apparatus. So, faster proc 5 stacks. And BiS T12 trinket Ret pal.
Sorry for my uggly english, i'm french, but i need to see the discussion on this topic.