[Music] Why has Rock and Metal become replaced by Rap/Pop?

[Balir]

My Theory: Pop and Rap are cheaper. Throw some pretty face in a studio, have the album electronically enhanced (including said pretty face) and over produced and it's now a factory. Roll the the next one in! A full rock band is far more expensive. You've got more people to pay, more gear to shift etc etc etc.
Personally I love 'REAL' music that can be performed live...that means no lip synching. Bands and singers Like AC/DC, David Bowie, Pearl Jam, U2, Rolling Stones, The Beatles, Elvis Presley will still be listened to in 20 years time. Today's singer will simply be forgotten.

[Badpaladin]

Just throwing this out there, I'm a metal head. I love other music genres though. In fact, theatrical scores are my second favorite with Hans Zimmer being a favorite composer of mine. People that don't like metal are generalizing all metal as a whole. I've never been quick to catch lyrics, and if I wanted to learn a song lyrically I'd have to study it for a long time. That being as it is, I usually don't care about lyrics, or vocals at all in music. I hate the Beatles! Blasphemy? Nah, when I ask people why they like the Beatles simple drum riffs and easy guitar rhythms and call it music, they say it isn't about that, it's about the message of the words. Well, I don't care for the words. I want the music. Opeth is one of the best metal bands out there in my opinion, and they play a lot of beautiful riffs. And they don't always scream, but even if they do, I don't care, because the sound from those instruments is amazing.

Music is why I'm here' not words. If a song has amazing talent in the instrument field, and the sound is good, I'll give it its due credit. But from past experience, hip-hop and rap doesn't really have what I'm looking for. And you;re right, I probably just haven't looked hard enough, and that may be, but until I hear something that changes my generalization of hip hop and rap, I'll still to the beautiful instrumentation of the metal scene.

TL;DR: I hate words. Give me sound.

A good artist you might be able to get into would be Atmosphere, at least some of his later stuff. He uses a lot of real instruments to create his beats, and when her performs live he has a whole band playing live instead of just having some DJ with some turntables.

[Psykel]

Popular music styles come and go. Just turn the clock back 50 years. "Why does noone listen to jazz anymore? It's all just this rock n' roll crap on the radio nowadays."

[Salintecra]

Popular music styles come and go. Just turn the clock back 50 years. "Why does noone listen to jazz anymore? It's all just this rock n' roll crap on the radio nowadays."

I like Jazz. I played in Jazz band in High School and one of my favorite movies is The Whole Nine Yards because of the soundtrack containing a lot of Jazz tracks. It's hard to come by though. If you want Jazz, you have to go backwards. With a small market for it these days, who wants to try to break out in that scene?

[Barpig]

I think rap has faded in popularity. It'll always have its core audience (kind of like metal) but I think pop has flourished for reasons that I just don't get. I mean Beiber? Really? Gaga? What is up with that?

[Salintecra]

A good artist you might be able to get into would be Atmosphere, at least some of his later stuff. He uses a lot of real instruments to create his beats, and when her performs live he has a whole band playing live instead of just having some DJ with some turntables.

Not bad. I recognize that as pretty good even. Still a bit too much emphasis on the lyrics though, and not enough variations in the melody. Once it had it's set track it kinda stayed the same throughout. And I'm also a sucker for faster movement. :P But still, props to you. It's been a while since someone showed me something from that genre that I didn't absolutely hate, and longer still since I ventured into almost good. lol

[Vordie]

Because rock now is NOTHING like the 70s / 80s rock.

But of course, that's the evolution of music. OH WAIT! NO! IT WAS GOD!

Also, pop and hip hop is WAY more "danceable", and now that we have way more clubs out there, they are more appealing. Not just teens, but everyone EVENTUALLY.

[Badpaladin]

Not bad. I recognize that as pretty good even. Still a bit too much emphasis on the lyrics though, and not enough variations in the melody. Once it had it's set track it kinda stayed the same throughout. And I'm also a sucker for faster movement. :P But still, props to you. It's been a while since someone showed me something from that genre that I didn't absolutely hate, and longer still since I ventured into almost good. lol

Right on. It's an acquired taste, really. At the same time, I would expect a non-metal fan to immediately fall in love with Isis after hearing one of their songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf-c9SIlb4k

Although I'd certainly edge them on to continue listening to it!

[Salintecra]

Right on. It's an acquired taste, really. At the same time, I would expect a non-metal fan to immediately fall in love with Isis after hearing one of their songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf-c9SIlb4k

Although I'd certainly edge them on to continue listening to it!

As stereotypical as it is, I listen to Isis in a dark basement hanging with other dudes playing pool or just chillen. Great band. Another fine example of how instrumental rock/metal can be. I can understand the close mindedness of people. I'm at fault for it sometimes myself. It's more sad than anything though that people will miss such good music because they can't give anything outside of their comfort zone a try. At least I'll listen to something once before I make my decision. Oh yeah, I definitely gotta listen to all of In The Absence of Truth now. Thanks. :P

[Psykel]

I like Jazz. I played in Jazz band in High School and one of my favorite movies is The Whole Nine Yards because of the soundtrack containing a lot of Jazz tracks. It's hard to come by though. If you want Jazz, you have to go backwards. With a small market for it these days, who wants to try to break out in that scene?

Yeah, jazz is great, but there's no denying it had it's golden years back in the 40s. Tho, just a month ago, I was watching a bunch of 20-year-olds from the Royal music academy of Sweden play some amazing jazz.
Anyway, myself, I don't stick to genres. I can listen to Skynyrd's Freebird, Sinatra's Fly me to the moon, Metallica's Enter sandman and Snoop Dogg's Drop it like it's hot in a row without hitting "next track".
I play the guitar in a band that mixes hard rock riffs, funky drums and poppy melodies. If anyone asks me what my band plays, I tell them "We play music."

[Davisdoesdallas]

I'm no good with quotes but from the bottom of the first page someone said that metal is 'the only thing worth listening too'


Now taking away opera/musicals/symphonic music, you can't honestly say your favorite music is the only thing worth listening to. It might be for you but seriously, there are 6 billion people and I guarentee you that about 95% of them would dislike the music off the front page of this thread.


While the actual music from that band in the video is good, 'singing' like that is rubbish. There is a stark differnce between say Iron Maiden and that. Both scream yes, but one does so in a musical way. The other screams like if he was getting something pushing up the out hole.

[Zoldor]

It hasn't been replaced by pop/rap....the high point of rock in the 80's, I laugh at the idea of lumping metal into because I think most metal artists would be rather psised if you claimed that during the 80s they were part of the popular rock bands, rock was pop. Come on go back and listen to things that were popular from rock bands back then, its really just pop rock. You want to claim Winger was a really a rock band and not a pop band or Nelson hell I'll even go as far to say Poison pure pop bands. Unskinny Bop is a damn dance song. Anyways just because it has a guitar, bass, and drums doesn't make it rock. The reason is Pop music changes is because it has to. People get bored easy so the next catchy, simple, the correct length and safe song has to come out. The thing that sells to the most people right now is sex. Sex and rock died a long time ago. Sex and rap and more conventional pop music exists. Look at rock videos there is no hot chick rolling around on the car half naked while people like david lee roth jump around. Look at a modern rap video then go dig up an 80's rock video. There won't be much difference Because its pop...its rehash simple music...and real rockers are more dedicated musicians...until they are broke again. Sex sells and Rock and Metal left sex a while ago. I mean its why Reality TV sells, if you can't act make soft core porn

Metal was never popular in the sense that Rap, Pop, and Rock were. Metal Bands have broken into the main stream, but not been the mainstream. Sure Metallica, Megadeth, and a few others hit some really high points in popularity, but for the most part Metal Bands aren't out there driving 10 cars making 1.5mill a year or anything. They are touring and doing well and making albums. Metal never reach any point that Rock, Rap and Pop ever have and they don't care too. Also Metal and Grunge and things of this nature can't stay popular long because its too brooding and the majority of people would rather think abuot sex, drugs and having fun than all the shit that sucks or is intense. The average person doesn't want to hear about war, hell, dragons, drug addiction and suicide. I like fantasy stuff so hell yeah metal is awesome, but its a little intense for the mainstream's status quo.

Rap I feel bad for, because there is some really quality rap out there but its very much so diamond in the rough. Most of it is RapPop. Its made to party and dance too, not to be like damn that dude is smart and witty. There is a lot of those dudes out there and they sometimes peep into the mainstream. Mos Def is an easy one off the top of my head. Not all rap is about sex, drugs and partying. Rap will continue to grow and develop.

Pop is pop lol.

Nothing really happend, Rock just got out of the industry of selling sex and a wild lifstyle. I don't count New Metal it was a boring spike that has gone back to being a sub genre. Its sort of like saying man why isn't punk rock as popular as Rap now...well thats because punk was never popular...but poppunk was. Its very different in what it is. So it really isn't replaced all the bands that were rocking are still rocking and donig the same stuff. Rap and Pop just make for better TV and club hits. Anyways off to the Sword and Dead Meadow show :P

[Prof_Sarcastic]

People who genuinely love music will like the best of all kinds.

Everyone else is a poser.

[Badpaladin]

As stereotypical as it is, I listen to Isis in a dark basement hanging with other dudes playing pool or just chillen. Great band. Another fine example of how instrumental rock/metal can be. I can understand the close mindedness of people. I'm at fault for it sometimes myself. It's more sad than anything though that people will miss such good music because they can't give anything outside of their comfort zone a try. At least I'll listen to something once before I make my decision. Oh yeah, I definitely gotta listen to all of In The Absence of Truth now. Thanks. :P

Oh, I had a rough time accepting some of Dubstep after listening to the horse manure that is Skrillex, and other electronica designed to make high schoolers rave like little kiddies. However, after listening to Burial I got over it and now enjoy some real dubstep alongside my other genres.

Speaking of Isis, I recently got back from an excellent hike to the top of Cloud's Rest in Yosemite. I listened to the whole Panopticon album at the top while having a 360 degree view of the place (thought it would be appropriate). So incredible.

[Salintecra]

I'm no good with quotes but from the bottom of the first page someone said that metal is 'the only thing worth listening too'


Now taking away opera/musicals/symphonic music, you can't honestly say your favorite music is the only thing worth listening to. It might be for you but seriously, there are 6 billion people and I guarantee you that about 95% of them would dislike the music off the front page of this thread.


While the actual music from that band in the video is good, 'singing' like that is rubbish. There is a stark differnce between say Iron Maiden and that. Both scream yes, but one does so in a musical way. The other screams like if he was getting something pushing up the out hole.

Whoa, hold up there. I get what you're saying. Claiming something is the only thing worth listening to is ignorant. And people are just that sometimes. But there's no need to be argumentative about it. Screaming, like in that front page video is musical to some. If not in a melodic way, at least in a rythmic timing way. You had a good start, claiming others would disagree with him, then bombed when you turned your post into an argumentative statement belittling someone elses taste.

Also, I can't stand musicals. lol, but I do love symphonic music.

[Destruktion]

I think the reason rap/hip hop is more popular these days is because it is much more explicitly sexualized than hard rock or heavy metal, and is also more comfortable to dance to. It is also steadily declining in popularity, which coincides with their decline in sexually explicit material (it's supposedly "degrading to women").

[Deleted]

People who genuinely love music will like the best of all kinds.

Everyone else is a poser.

I disagree. I am very fond of various styles of music, and play a few different instruments. However, I cannot STAND Rap Music, in the slightest; I literally cannot listen to it without plugging my ears.

I do however respect people's opinion, if they want to listen to it, fine. I just have no interest in listen to Rap music what-so-ever.

However, on the subject of music. Nothing goes beyond a bit of Johnny Cash.

[Deleted]

Rock and metal bands don`t get replaced by rap and pop or by another bands. It`s just people don`t like rock or metal so much then they like it 80`s and 90`s and I am sad about it, cuz I love oldscool rock music. Guns N` Roses and stuff..

[Prof_Sarcastic]

I disagree. I am very fond of various styles of music, and play a few different instruments. However, I cannot STAND Rap Music, in the slightest; I literally cannot listen to it without plugging my ears.

I do however respect people's opinion, if they want to listen to it, fine. I just have no interest in listen to Rap music what-so-ever.

However, on the subject of music. Nothing goes beyond a bit of Johnny Cash.

Coincidentally enough, that used to be my opinion of country music, until someone made me listen to that very artist. So, I believe you just havent found the right artist yet either.

[Salintecra]

Oh, I had a rough time accepting some of Dubstep after listening to the horse manure that is Skrillex, and other electronica designed to make high schoolers rave like little kiddies. However, after listening to Burial I got over it and now enjoy some real dubstep alongside my other genres.

Speaking of Isis, I recently got back from an excellent hike to the top of Cloud's Rest in Yosemite. I listened to the whole Panopticon album at the top while having a 360 degree view of the place (thought it would be appropriate). So incredible.

Your Isis story sounds like total bliss! lol I've been dabbling into the dubstep genre as well actually. Some Flux Pavillion and RacknRuin. I listened to a Burial song, and we'd probably differ on our dub tastes, unless I hit a strange Burial song. Archangel is what I tried. But, differences happen right?