Elemental shaman is not good enough for pvp

[glowzone]

No it isn't. If you leave one alone he won't do much other than slamming your face to the ground because well, the reasons seem fairly obvious, but in longer matches where people will mostly focus you (like in mage/priest/ele) there is SO much that can distinguish a very good shaman from a crap one. Purges, shocks, shield-twisting, grounding, earthbind roots, thunderstorm, hexes, etc, everything needs to be played out near perfectly to make them viable, herpadurp shock lava burst LB LB LB hasn't worked for about 6 months, so elemental is far from the most faceroll caster.

Listing up names doesn't do anything. Arcane mage is hard, since you have to spellsteal, counterspell, switch armors, iceblock, root and sheep, cleanse curses, all perfectly. You can do this with everything, it's hardly an arguement. Also, just because it's not viable, doesn't mean the spec is hard.

[Deleted]

Seriously If I get stuck freezed or whatever , I have to trinket it
if Im worthless against the most casters and all melees not retripaladins tho
If I get stunned I can trinket or thunderstorm then If I get stunned again (rogue stunlock) I have already take too much dmg to do something after the stun
so I gotta heal
My point is : elemental shaman are the easiest class to lockdown

[Deleted]

Listing up names doesn't do anything. Arcane mage is hard, since you have to spellsteal, counterspell, switch armors, iceblock, root and sheep, cleanse curses, all perfectly. You can do this with everything, it's hardly an arguement. Also, just because it's not viable, doesn't mean the spec is hard.

Not always, but I never said the spec was hard, I just said it had a really high skill-cap right now due to how useless most people are when playing one. If a spec is underpowered the person playing it has to be an exceptional player compared to most he's facing, that's just how it works, even for arcane mages (even though those are more of a category of their own, if you can't cast AB you're worthless, and that's that, comparing elemental shamans to fire mages would be more accurate, I think, but it hardly matters).

[glowzone]

Not always, but I never said the spec was hard, I just said it had a really high skill-cap right now due to how useless most people are when playing one. If a spec is underpowered the person playing it has to be an exceptional player compared to most he's facing, that's just how it works, even for arcane mages (even though those are more of a category of their own, if you can't cast AB you're worthless, and that's that, comparing elemental shamans to fire mages would be more accurate, I think, but it hardly matters).

Skillcap means the skill required to get the maximum out of the spec. In wich Elemental doesn't score to high. What you're refering to is the skill required to do well in competitive pvp.(with not scoring to high, I mean compared to some other specs, I do not mean any random person who plays elemental is skillcaped.)

[Tyler-Stormrage]

No, it is the most faceroll caster ever since it has been implemented.

Erm. Arcane mages?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISsOjfHgtws

this was at level 80.

[Adoris]

I
- Purge. Again, recently nerfed, but for a reason. Especially fun against (most) healers and ret paladins.

You monster :'(
But yeah, if played right Ele can be very...how do i put it? Boot-to-face?
And the hilarious moment when someone dispells your flame shock.

[savvasp]

Well , its not easy to kite when you got get snared or frozen (DK) or slowed or stunned
Yes we got some improvements and I guess I haven´t tried it for so long now
But still one of the most casters that requires most survivalskills because they have not so many snares
Sure frostshock,earthbind and thunderstorm
The thing is that all those can be broken pretty easy
If you have tired to kill a rogue you will see that its almost impossible to kite it
and a warrior well they just wait untill I do all my slows and such then they will bladestorm

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And Lukas 45
"Why would you also compare with mages anyway? Mages are the class with most snares and kiting/surviving abilitys. "

I compare with a mage because they are so much alike
now I can say frost is frost
but fire is pretty much same as elemental
like this
Blastwave = thunderstorm without knockback
Running and casting scorch = running casting Lightning bolts
then they have this stun from fireblast when they get the procc and the blaze speed
and ofcourse the iceblock + blink


they got more survival
I would say that a firemage + a destruction warlock is two upgrades from an elemental shaman in spellwise

Asb
I like your opinions and I guess I have focus more on our weekness instead of godness
and in future arena I would say it might work but still I feel so easy to lock down
when a shaman gets stuck they are doomed
just release your hands from keyboard and just die
(depends if you have use all your survivals)
now I compare warlock ,priest and mage again
They can stand still in a stun and take damage and then survive
or break it with their survivals I mean blink doesn´t have to much cooldown
and warlock well they got awesome healthregen and as destruction they have a pet to cc with + healthstone = instantheal
Pirest got disperssion + fear then good selfheal and they got awesome slow on mindflay

Wait wait wait .Did you just call Destro warlocks overpowered ? Elemental Shamans are in a WAY better position than Destro warlocks . And don't link me Adouken's videos to prove me wrong . He's pro and he's doing BG's . Not arenas . Which Shamans can actually do

[Deleted]

Nononon I didn´t say destro warlocks where OP
just that hey have more dmg reduce and escape
like succubus cc and they got fear and the armor that reduce magic dmg + their dmg
Shamans are like boomkins in someways but less cc/armor

[ReeL]

they should at least fix their mana issues.

if they don't want them to have an OMGWTF button like every other class, that's fine, but if they expect us to utilize our tools to survive you must AT LEAST give us enough mana management to WANT to use those spells more then one time.

Elemental is the only spec I can ever remember going oom on since cata, of any spec I've ever played that is not healer, and when not mana burned.

[asb]

Elemental is the only spec I can ever remember going oom on since cata, of any spec I've ever played that is not healer, and when not mana burned.

I'm expecting that they have a pretty fine line to walk on with regards to mana, since there's no other mechanic restricting your healing. Balance druids and shadow priests both have a damage form that they have to leave to heal, which I'm sure costs a fair amount of mana to constantly cycle in and out of.

[Deleted]

They both have better healing than elemental shamans, though. Or at least shadow priests do, not to mention a good team won't let an elemental shaman cast damaging spells, let alone heal. Elemental does have mana problems, but that's solely because they need fulmination to actually deal some form of damage and using water shield instead is the only way for them to reliably conserve and/or get mana back. Then again, so do shadow priests, but not because switching in and out of shadow form is pricey, just because seeing as their heals actually matter quite a fair bit they tend to heal more than they should just to play safe, at times. Moonkins I honestly don't know, but I really don't think I've faced a moonkin in arena (which in itself only happened like 5 times this season, TR + live) that had too many troubles keeping their mana up.

[Reith]

Elemental Shaman is not bad for PVP. Just get better.

[Underskilled]

Simply put, elementals shamans are a burst class. They were designed around almost zero CC abilities, relatively few snares/gap-opens, elementals shamans job was similar to a warrior, apply a large amount of pressure.

In cataclysm, this is changed. Blizzard is driving away elemental shamans away from their norm, into something they're not, and saying that's ok. Elemental shamans rely on burst to be a solid PvP spec. Blizzard has taken away their burst, and thinking giving them a halfass slow and casting LB while moving is going to cut it. I don't care that my LB can be cast while moving, when it hits for ~4k, and my super charged awesome LvB a whole 12k.

Blizzard is trying to make elemental shamans into something they're not, and it's just killing the spec. Destro lock are in the same boat, they are a burst class, now that they're burst is gone, they have basically nothing.

[worsthitmanNa]

If u think elemental is face roll go try it lol u won't live for more then like 18 seconds i bet. Novoz makes me want an elemental shaman thou : ) plus i got beaten by an elemental shaman in 80 gear and he was wrecking people on the ptr.

[Deleted]

I don´t say that elemental completley sucks cause they don´t
They are good I know it , if you kite well you have the fight , like a caster version of hunter in tbc , kite kite kite kite then dmg and when you get openfire , release your cooldowns and kill it
tho I found the mana is a big big problem and still I stand for my opinion , they are easiest to lock down of all classes

[Cavein]

Wonder whose in worse spot, ele sham or boomkin. That novoz video was pretty lame, that was probably around a 1900 mmr...Cant wait to meet some ele shamans in the arena this season. I just cant see them going anywhere decent. I might try to give ele a shot, just to see if I can mess shit up or not, im usually pretty good with the under powered classes in pvp.

LOL. I didn't know you could get glad with a 1900 mmr....weird.

[ReeL]

I'm expecting that they have a pretty fine line to walk on with regards to mana, since there's no other mechanic restricting your healing. Balance druids and shadow priests both have a damage form that they have to leave to heal, which I'm sure costs a fair amount of mana to constantly cycle in and out of.

All true, but the thing is :

they goo oom waaay slower in generall, AND they have cooldowns (priest have several) that can bring their mana back up again, as well as the passive talents that bring in much more noticable mana then rolling thunder.

So here we have elemental with a worse talent for gaining passive mana AND not a single way to get it back up once your oom. Not to mention the other classes/specs you mentioned can use them several times in an arena match : /

[Linkroberts]

cant make a call till arena starts in my opinion

[kunn]

Then specc resto and be a god, like others.
There are CLASSES that dont work in pvp ...and yet ppl whine about
a specc, while they got a god pvp specc already.
The i dont like blabla..its not really in place. If you dont like, then ok, but then dont come
whining either.

[ReeL]

Then specc resto and be a god, like others.
There are CLASSES that dont work in pvp ...and yet ppl whine about
a specc, while they got a god pvp specc already.
The i dont like blabla..its not really in place. If you dont like, then ok, but then dont come
whining either.

to be fair, when a class doesn't well in pvp, hunters really being the only one, it's because the fault is in the cote mechanincs of the class and thus making every spec bad.

Also, hybrids can't be considered the same as different specs within a pure class.

Saying an elementl ahould just go resto doesn't woek, there's just too much difference in the specs (allthoug alot of the feel is similar). You can't tell a dps to go healer you know.