I think the war in Northrend and huge leaps forwards into Ashenvale had somethings to do with fixing the Horde resource problems.
Also, the story arc with Stormwind ignoring Westfall has existed since original WoW. Lack of a leader I think used to be sited as a source for why proper attention wasn't given to that region so logically it followed that the return of King Wrynn would herald a fix to all of Westfall's problems. Sadly that wasn't the case AT ALL. I know the Alliance was hard-pressed for resources what with the war in Northrend and then being attacked directly in Stormwind by Deathwing but the interim period between the victory over the Lich King and Deathwing's attack should have been enough to at least mildly address the West fall problem.
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They are her people. She is the leader of the forsaken as said above.
Stop participating in warfare? Don't be so blind. She is surrounded by enemies to the south and east. Varian has been trying to wipe her out. Stop participating? And let her and HER PEOPLE get slaughtered? That makes sense.
Also you state "Why do you think Thrall quit leading the horde?" He stopped leading the horde because he had to choose between becoming the greatest shaman to ever live or not be a shaman at all. He noticed how the world was starting to be torn apart by the elements. He decided it was in the best interest of the entire world to continue his shamanistic training.
You can stop now.
We're pointing out the flaws in your rhetoric, and you're ignoring the logical points people make by repeating the same points that were debunked. If you'd like, I can start linking quest text every time you say something and bolding the parts that prove you wrong, I've got nothing but time for the next day or two.
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Phen has already told you to cool it. If you insult someone, you will receive an infraction. And yes, the overused moronic 'fanboi' comment is an insult. So enough.
You haven't pointed out spit to justify what Sylvanas is doing, you just yell at me and say "KILLING PEOPLE ISN'T EVIL BECAUSE IT'S ACCEPTED FOR THEIR SOCIETY!" over and over and over. THAT IS NOT AN ARGUMENT. That is a fallback point for someone who doesn't understand the concept of debate, let alone good and evil.
No, what I'm discussing is that you're accusing Sylvanus of murdering people for the sake of murdering them, when she's not doing that.
She has reasons for doing what she's doing and, in the eyes of the Forsaken, and in the eyes of securing the Horde's positions in the Eastern Kingdom, it's not an "evil" so much as a moral position that her enemies will disagree with.
I don't know about you, but when the humans slaughter orcs in their war, they're not giving the orcs a second chance at life. At least when Sylvanus goes to war, she brings her enemies back to life, and proposes that they join her. Or not, as they wish.
I hope you haven't forgotten my role in this little story. I'm the leading man. You know what they say about the leading man? He never dies.
If you give in to your impulses in this world, the price is that it changes your personality in the real world. The player and character are one and the same.
A city that can withstand siege and not catch fire is a pretty big priority. I'm not saying either is worse because I consider both Chynn and Hellwhimper to be wasting their and their allies' resources and manpower fighting a war over what should be a one-on-one mak'gora to settle the entire matter. However, the thing is Garrosh is an idiot and has drastically less leadership experience than Varian, who was king of Stormwind for the majority of his life--his father was killed young--and has, instead of seeing to his people, opted instead to reignite a war with the Horde and lavishly renovate his keep in the time between Northrend and the Cataclysm (which, lorewise, was stated to have been at minimum a year). On the other hand, Garrosh has been proactively trying to better things for the Horde--in all the wrong ways, but he's actually trying to secure resources rather than divert manpower and resources warring against the Horde.
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Not a single thing you said in the post I quoted was factual. NOT A SINGLE ONE. And mistuhbull debunked everyone of those arguments piece by piece.
Your argument that Sylvanas has done morally reprehensible acts is true. But to condemn the entire horde or even call her an 'evil bitch that deserves to die' is still incorrect. She does things she sees fit to give the Horde the upper hand while also ensuring the survival of her species. There's no doubting that whatsoever.
She will face her final judgment eventually. But it will not be at the hand of raiders, the alliance nor the horde.
I wouldn't expect to get back to the original idea anymore even the OP probs thinks that... baker said some shit about my first post on this thread and then people pput in their brand of what they think and he just said nope your wrong and tada 80 posts late hitler -.-' so yeh im just here for the ride now.