Why is Stars from W-Crystalpine Stinger not being noticed on wowprogress??

[verenity]

Some how I got a feeling that they will get the World First Kill. And it's a shame that wow progress wont recognize it as a world first, Guess It wont become a reliable site to track guilds progression, because it wants to ignore the fact, that a guild had the money to pay for a transfer over to alliance, and the fault of Blizzard not closing Heroic ID on the first week.

[Kerain]

Why do people defend Stars?

Sure, Blizzard had some faults in their system, but just 'cause it's there doesn't mean you should use it, it means you should report it to blizzard like a responsible person would...

It's just like lulzec or w/e, "Here's a easy way to get info, let's get it and spread it online, that'll make them notice their flaws!"
Instead of just writing an e-mail to the people.

[beingmused]

A world first is a world first when all those competing are on an equal footing, not with a 1 week or so lead.
Regional differences will make a completely fair race impossible, but a weeks advantage is simply unfair.

Exactly. If a guild was given the raid a week before everybody else, then on sites that are designed to compare the achievements of guilds, it would make no sense to include them. if you want to treat progress as a "race", then someone who jumps the starter's pistol can't be eligible to win.

[Szemere]

If Stars would be allowed to stay in WoWprogress's list this tier, it would screw their entire rating system over royally.

Face it, their armory shows them killing Shannox about 5 days earlier than others, meaning they would get world first rating for that, and that all the other guilds, because they are that "slow" to follow, get a lot less from the maximum points they would get now. The way WoWpogress works, is giving rating for each boss, and if they cheat on one out of 7 bosses, with a huge (5 days, or whatever it was, is pretty huge in rating) difference on that one, it would probably put them on top of the list, even if they would be several hours behind on other bosses.

TLDR: killing boss earlier than possible screws the rating system for the other guilds, and gives them an unfair advantage.

If WoWprogress didn't ban Stars because of the morale, they would at least ban them for this tier, for screwing up their rating system.
(banning == removing from their site, obviously)

[Deleted]

Why do people defend Stars?

Sure, Blizzard had some faults in their system, but just 'cause it's there doesn't mean you should use it, it means you should report it to blizzard like a responsible person would...

It's just like lulzec or w/e, "Here's a easy way to get info, let's get it and spread it online, that'll make them notice their flaws!"
Instead of just writing an e-mail to the people.

People defend Stars possibly because they start every patch on the back foot compared to the rest of the world, and in the past have started more than a week behind the rest. Also they dont have direct access to a ptr (they would have to buy copies and play on a us/eu server if im not mistaken, lag included). They are an underdog of sorts and have been biting at the others heels for years, pun intended.

[Matik]

Stars is not being tracked, nor any TW guild, becasue TW armory is currently broken and not tracking Firelands achievements. Stars has not been banned for faction changing, nor has any other guild as of yet.

Linking again cause people seem to miss it

---------- Post added 2011-07-19 at 06:23 PM ----------

Check this out, a new post that the admin made

Random guy: TW armory works OK now!
http://tw.battle.net/wow/zh/search?q=
It has contains Firelands achievements
please check out
thanks

WoWprogress admin:
Yes, I know about it.
The thing is this html armory only includes achievement dates and there is no timestamp info. That means it's almost impossible to detect boss kills correctly.

The new API doesn't support TW guilds yet, you can check: http://tw.battle.net/api/wow/guild/c...stinger/Stars/
(May be it's better to ask Blizzard's support if you want to know when it will be done)

Talking about WOWPROGRESS EXCLUDING STARS IS POINTLESS BECAUSE IT IS NOT HAPPENING ON PURPOSE.

[creepygnome]

So class stacking is ok when it's clearly not intended, since it was hotfixed 10 seconds after a world first.

Encounter bugging is ok when it's clearly not intended, since it was hotfixed 10 seconds after a world first.

Faction changing not ok when it's clearly not intended, since it was hotfixed 10 seconds after a world first.


Got it.

See how dumb that sounds? World first is world first, period. No matter how it was achieved.

Actually, in the first two examples you used, the guilds didn't pay for their advantage to get the first kill, they used the mechanics. Stars payed for their advantage.

[Plus any guild across all realms could have used those bugs the same way to achieve the same thing. Not all guild could faction change to reset their Raid ID.]
Since a mod clarified this, I guess it is void. Even though I still don't believe that paying for an advantage is fair.

Hence why Stars doesn't count for a world first. Granted, this is my opinion, you are free to have your own.

[Pyrelight]

For all those idiots that claim "Wowprogress has banned Stars.":
No, that hasn't happened, even though it might remain a possibility.

The sole reason that Starss progress isn't being tracked at this moment is because, simply, that Taiwanese Armory cannot be queried properly by Wowprogress.com. Evidence? There is NO progression from ANY of the Taiwanese servers.
So please, for those of you that obviously know nothing about this subject, use your brain a bit more and stop saying what you think happened.

[aliancekill]

The stars fanboys still defend the faction changed world first that even mmo-c didn't count? Give it a rest please.

[Deleted]

The stars fanboys still defend the faction changed world first that even mmo-c didn't count? Give it a rest please.

Shannox Heroic wasnt even hard.

Get a grip already.

[RealElfShady]

So class stacking is ok when it's clearly not intended, since it was hotfixed 10 seconds after a world first.

Encounter bugging is ok when it's clearly not intended, since it was hotfixed 10 seconds after a world first.

Faction changing not ok when it's clearly not intended, since it was hotfixed 10 seconds after a world first.


Got it.

See how dumb that sounds? World first is world first, period. No matter how it was achieved.

Pretty much what I wanted to say.

[anyaka21]

Most people don't actually understand that WoWprogress means nothing. It's just a website that gives point...

Who killed a boss 1st according to the time and date, thats what matters :P.

So if Stars get Rag HC WFK it sure as hell counts. And puny Wowprogress will ignore it I assume. Now that is some way to inform comunity about progress.

I'd have to agree with this. WoWprogress, while a good site, is just a site. There is no standard than being the 1st guild to kill Heroic Rag. It doesn't matter that WoWprogress doesn't recognize it, it only matters the time, date that the 1st guild did it. Besides, you can almost suggest that WoWprogress gave them that idea because they posted that if any guild did that they would be banned from their site.

---------- Post added 2011-07-19 at 08:23 PM ----------

So class stacking is ok when it's clearly not intended, since it was hotfixed 10 seconds after a world first.

Encounter bugging is ok when it's clearly not intended, since it was hotfixed 10 seconds after a world first.

Faction changing not ok when it's clearly not intended, since it was hotfixed 10 seconds after a world first.


Got it.

See how dumb that sounds? World first is world first, period. No matter how it was achieved.

The majority of World firsts are done this way to some extent. The problem is that the top guilds in the world are essentially beta testing these fights. They are better players than Blizzard has on their staff and better equipped to take on the challenge of world first and hardcore heroic kills. So is it those guilds faults they are going up against essentially untested or lightly tested content?

[Atrosity]

Why would wowprogress not recognize them, it's not even close to cheating as some people have thrown around. The service to switch characters to another faction is available to EVERYONE. Let me say that again, it's available to E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E. What's so hard to understand about that?

[Zamfix]

I think it's dumb that Wowprogress would remove them from it. So they got one boss ahead. No one even cares about the bosses before Rag. If they get world first Rag, I'll still consider it world first.

It's not like there wasn't any warning. They made a choice and this is what happens.

[anyaka21]

It's not like there wasn't any warning. They made a choice and this is what happens.

Sure, they made a choice, but then since when is WoWprogress the end all be all of progression stats?