LF warlock dps advice for one of my raiders!!

[zaneosak]

Ok so I do not know much about warlocks as far as where they are in the DPS race these days but I have a warlock in my 10man run that consistently bottoms the charts (or close to bottoms). She recently swapped to the warlock from lvl 60-85 when firelands hit to give our raid replenishment. so she just learned the class. Is it hard to master destro lock? is it just that she is undergeared? (ilvl365, she has 4 FL drops, volcano deck and alot of Za/Zg gear) I dont know if warlock dps is gear dependent moreso than others. Is there anything in particular you guys can see from a wol log?

Baleroc 10n - http://worldoflogs.com/reports/t68d7...?s=9547&e=9888

Just looking for advice, we are possibly having our 2nd resto shaman go to his resto druid for Tranq/BR/diverse healing, which would give us replen... would Affliction/Demo be more dps / easier to play? any advice would be great so we can help maximize our raid dps, she is our legendary fragment collector... which is pretty concerning since I think she should be doing better dps, or is warlocks just behind right now? Thanks!

[lukerocks]

everyone in that raid needs to learn their class. hunters doing 14k and 18k dps? pretty sure u just have to auto shoot to get that. destro is real bad

[zugzug]

With no elem shamy in a 10men group get him to go demo. He will rape then.

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/89k62...?s=8119&e=8518

[conz]

i would have to question the use of conflag by this warlock. The cooldown of conflag is 8 secs and your fight is over 5 minutes long. You're warlock gained backdraft 13 times. 13 times with 8 sec cd is 104 secs. just slightly over 1 and a half minutes. why is this spell not being used more often as it leads to not only your hardest hitting spell but allows the next 3 incins/chaos bolt to be casted with 30 percent haste.

[zaneosak]

Well the hunters are both alts filling in for our arcane mage and boomkin, so I didnt really count them, I knew they would be bad lol. Baleroc 1 tanking gives you room for bad dps though.

@conz - I was actually just looking at that myself... seems odd.
@zug - demo is good for single target? I thought that was more of an aoe thing.

[Pimenta]

shes not casting corruption at all, and immo i think she is not keeping up all them time, because she get 48 casts of incinerate for 10 casts of immo, and only 9 casts of conflagrate, she have to cast more conflagrates, corruptions, and less incinerates... incinerate is a filler spell, not a priority. tell she to check destro priority list.

[zugzug]

Any1 else noticed 0 corruption ticks

[Propane]

Demonology gives your raid a 10% spellpower buff would be the reason to bring one. But this isn't terribly important in a 10 man raid if you already have 6% from a mage or non elemental shaman.

[zugzug]

shes not casting corruption at all, and immo i think she is not keeping up all them time, because she get 48 casts of incinerate for 10 casts of immo, and only 9 casts of conflagrate, she have to cast more conflagrates, corruptions, and less incinerates... incinerate is a filler spell, not a priority. tell she to check destro priority list.

78 inc and 14 conflag, you dont count the crits, they are separated, and immo has 68.5% uptime and on top of 0 corruptions, i wonder how he even made so much dps.

[Deleted]

With no elem shamy in a 10men group get him to go demo. He will rape then.

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/89k62...?s=8119&e=8518

That should have bin atleast 30k right there.

[Pimenta]

78 inc and 14 conflag, you dont count the crits, they are separated, and immo has 68.5% uptime and on top of 0 corruptions, i wonder how he even made so much dps.

yeah, youre right, forgot about crits. i was thinking that too, she must have a good gear to do so much dps "only" with incinerates

[Deleted]

Immolation uptime: 68.5%
Bane of Doom: 81.5 %
Improved Soul Fire: 76.9 %
Backdraft: 24%
Corruption: 0%

[Chmmr]

If she sticks with destro, I recommend her getting an addon called TellMeWhen, and setting up a group of icons to represent her priority list, so order them the same essentially as what elitistjerks promotes:
Curse of Elements, Soul Fire buff, Demon Soul, Immolate, Conflag, Bane of Doom, Corruption, Shadowflame (only if already in range, or if more than 3 targets), Instant Soul Fire proc from imp, Chaos bolt.

If all those items are applied or on cooldown, then incinerate. Make sure she is using her big cooldowns such as trinkets / demon soul if possible during any heroisms. Another thing she can do is keep a big stack of volcanic potions, also for use during heroism.

For AOE, apply Bane of Havoc on a high-health target, do a Soul Burn + Soul Fire on something to get the buff, use a +SP / +int trinket, keep shadowflame on mobs, and rain of fire.

[god of lock and pala]

well all dpecs for lock are viable, but depending on your setup and your healers and stuff.

but currently its affli>destro>demo.

but they are actually quite even. but affli is definitely harder than destro. atleast there is more stuff to watch and take in to account when deciding what to cast.

also, since its baelroc he should be using felflame alot more, its a really nice damage bonus when in range, and since crystals spawn in melee he should be close to boss. so really easy to get it off.

[Wucka]

If you are going to get replen through another member, then I would suggest changing the spec of the lock. Destro can be a tight rotation for people not used to it. Keeping improved soul fire as well as your dots and conflag on cool down cana be a bit much I guess. Demo is very capable of single target and like others have said it brings raid buffs.

[Deleted]

The warlock elitest jerks pages: elitistjerks.com/f80
Are a very good source of how to play a warlock, I'd highly recommend them.

[feardottcom]

I just switched to playin my spriest for raids, but i can still pull 21k+ dps on my destro lock. first off dots need 100% uptime soul fire buff needs 100% uptime, there are mods she could get that would put that stuff right in her face on screen i dont have names since i dont need them. technically also if you talk to top guilds or locks on server aff is the better spec atm being able to pull anywhere to 600-1500 more dps, for the advanced movement in fl fights. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Sõlus/simple looking at her armory everything seems correct except hands and belt i understand trying to get hit cap on a lock is basically impossible but the rule of thumb on socket bonus is if it is 20 intel put the right gems in if it is anything but put 40 intel gems in. here is my starter for rotation.

curse of elements
soul burn (insta soul fire) or shadowburn dont remember name atm.
soulfire
immolate
conflag
bane of doom
corruption
chaos bolt
incinnerate 2-3 times (depending on latency and confidence)
conflag
soulfire ( hard cast)
immolate to refresh.

from there on out follow it through making sure to burn soulfire, conflag and chaos bolt whenever they become availabe. curse of elements is a muct especially if you have an arcane mage and a boomie that will normally be there to benefit.
i hope that helps.

p.s. target dummy practice buy or farm volcanic potions and look into affliction since it is talked as being top dps spec atm for FL. ty and tc.



---------- Post added 2011-07-28 at 08:03 AM ----------

when he says felflame he means shadow flame, although if your lock had 4 piece t11 using felflame to refresh immolate and get the jump in dps its a good idea but only with 4 piece t11.

[WMDistraction]

Immolation uptime: 68.5%
Bane of Doom: 81.5 %
Improved Soul Fire: 76.9 %
Backdraft: 24%
Corruption: 0%

Well, those numbers are certainly telling. I don't play destro, so I can't speak for ISF/BD, but everything else in that list should absolutely always have as close to 100% uptime as possible.

[Inactivity]

Also look at 'damage done' by your warlock.

Incinerate 37.2%
Immolate 18.1%
Soul Fire 9.9%
Burning Embers 9.9%
Conflagrate 8.4%


For a fight like Baleroc, immolate, incinerate, and conflagrate should all be around 15% of total damage done (with incinerate a little bit higher). Your warlock is casting incinerate way too much, and conflagrate way too little. Conflagrate should literally be casted on every cooldown, with almost no exceptions!

There may be other things wrong, but that alone will improve her dps tons.

[n0cturnal]

18 posts in this thread and not a word about the lack of dark intent buff.