Could your ever hold your ground?

[bjarnespz]

as im sure ,most of us have seen video's of top guilds ending fights world wide bosses we havent even seen yet.(well minus google and souch)

skilled as we think we are,do you think you might be able 2 be "up there"if you had the gear,and have he time?

Or like me, watching the videos and stil not get it

[xxAkirhaxx]

I'm currently more progressed than most in firelands, and normally in all raids. My guild ussually finishes around 100 world and top 30 or so US.

With that said, no I couldn't hang in those top guilds that have rag down already. They play way more than we do, and play to levels people in my guild, including myself refuse to go to.

But could I, if I really wanted to? Still, probably no, I don't imagine myself having the right personality or attitude while raiding to raid with them. Keep in mind when raiding in the 25m scene it's way more about teamwork and strategy than flawless rotation. I won't even say skill because at this point this game is so easy when I think about any other game that takes real skill like most FPS's or RTS's.

[Theratzil]

Well that turned into some flame quickly lol and I don't think I could be as flawless and them

[Deleted]

This is a really interesting question, and one that my guild were discussing last night, the general feeling amongst each other was that skill wise, don't get me wrong, they're incredible players, but ultimately they are restricted by the limitations set by the game, whether that be cast times, movement speed etc, as good as a player you are, you can never exceed these limitations.

The reason they're so successful in my opinion is that a good guild may have a handful of players who hit these restrictions, the top guilds have 25 players who are all at those limits, they're also all incredibly dedicated to what they do and have a mentality that I admire to keep on going back wipe after wipe.

Also a vast majority of them are at a point in their lives where they have this time to spare, I know they do 2 months and then after that it's on farm and they can cut back, but anyone with a child, a job, or a spouse that's reliant on them cannot take 2 months off.

This is where I come unstuck, without attempting to sound big headed, I feel if I spent a vast quantity of time on WoW, I'd hit the limitations I mentioned in my first paragraph, but for me this time is far too precious elsewhere, in the time it usually takes to get down a tier of content on heroic, I could of spent that time at work (much more boring admittedly) but with that money I could do things that in my personal viewpoint greatly outweigh a bosskill, such as a new car/house extension etc

TLDR: Mentally I couldn't hack it, I just have other priorities in life

[Penguin FTW]

I could most definitely have the skill and gear to get into any guild I wanted to, but there's no way I could handle raiding as intensively as the top end guilds do. Honestly the only thing that really separates us from them is time spent at it.

I'm sure that when we get there, we'll kill Rag in fewer attempts than say Method or Ensidia (the gear we acquire before we get there will be the main cause of that) but the difference between Did it for Whitney and Method is that 500 attempts on Rag won't be over the course of a week, it'll be over the course of a month.


Edit: Like if I could somehow impose a time limit on every guild; no more than 16 hours a week give or take some overtime/disconnects, we'd be a top 10 guild probably


Or maybe I'm just a dreamer with the comparisons, there's no way to know since I'll never be in one of those guilds

[Posaune]

This is, as most of the responses have said, a really interesting question.

Any of us could have the gear and ability to be a raider in a top guild like that, but there's a couple things that are what really set these guilds apart.

Obviously they have 25 people who are playing at this level, and it's not like its the first 25 people to ever join, they worked hard finding the perfect players for each position they need. But I think one thing that gets overlooked after gear/ability is your personal ability to just simply focus for the amount of time these boss kills take (aka, the 15+ minute end-of-tier fights.) Being able to focus intently for that much time is extremely difficult. It really is. I'm sure most people who raid can understand the feeling of "derp, I just did something dumb" and recognizing that you did do something wrong immediately. It may not really adversely affect you, something like pressing the wrong bind at a certain point in your rotation or simply having to move during a free GCD because you didn't place yourself correctly. I can relate to this kind of focus as a musician (in the orchestral sense of the term musician) because its what I do every day. You have to be completely focused on what you're doing to play well, with no "OOH a pretty butterfly!" moments from your surroundings.

Now, anyone can pull off that kind of focus for a single fight, but what sets top guilds apart is that these guys do this wipe after wipe after wipe, for hours a night. It is extremely difficult to play through an entire symphony and be completely in touch with what is happening and what is going to happen, that is why there's a difference between the New York Phil and your local community orchestra. Surely top raiders get frustrated but they bring that down for the next attempt and go back to doing their job. They don't blow their wad on the first 10 attempts of the night and start to shut down afterwards so to speak.

[Laffy80]

Slaying Dragon #174 in any given raid isn't hard. Mechanics of the fight is what wipes raids. If you replaced yourself with one of the 25 people in the top guilds, and know how to stay out of bad stuff, the guild most likely wouldn't skip a beat. The biggest challenge is getting 25 people on the same page and doing exactly as expected. Gear is obviously important, but if you were in guilded with the elites, then you would have the gear.

[Sal the Shieldhog]

At this point in my life? No, definitively not. However, who knows what the future holds?

[Neganova]

There is absolutely no possible way I would survive in these world-top guilds.

[Herrenos]

Not me

I could probably cut it in a top 50 guild if I played enough, but these world first races... I just don't have the focus it takes to do the same thing over and over and over again, wiping and wiping for days. After about 3 hours on the same boss I start to glaze over and my performance slips.

[Frelstie]

I suppose I could if I wanted to, but the problem is that I really don't. So due to the fact that I don't want to, I can't.
The amount of time they spend on the game to in order to claim world first kills is just too much, and it's not a sacrifice I'm willing to make. World first kills are only interesting before they are claimed. Once someone claims the kill and the race ends, the excitement and interest ends too. Sort of like finding a sealed box, once you find a way to open it and discover what's inside, the box suddenly isn't so interesting anymore.
Anyway, I'm rambling.. The answer to the question is no.

[Fujisaw]

I think if i had the time i could pull it off but since i have to pay the internet bill to even play i have really no choice but to keep my job and keep my 3 day aweek raid running. but dont get me wrong if i won the lotto or something hell why not just take a 2 month vaca and try and join a top guild. i mean going to be rich the rest of my life i think i can spare 2months

[Mudkiper]

The ONLY difference between most top 100 raiders and the top 5 is the raiding hours. Raiding 18 hours a day on progress for top 5 compared to 4-5 days at 3-5 hours.

[vizzle]

Give me a good computer that doesn't make me raid Sinestra 10man at 5fps and I'd have gone from one of the best 10mans to a top 50 25man at the very least <.<

[Alvito]

I doubt it nor do I ever want to find out. The time it takes to do that alone is reason enough that I wouldn't consider it. Family and work for one would both suffer way to much. I have heard absurd tails of guilds in Europe that have all raiders on wellfare or the equivlent of it where they live so they are able to raid 24/7 if needed. The phrase to much of a good thing comes to mind when I think about stuff like that. Best of luck to the ones that do it or hope to one day but that is not for me.

[Count Zero]

If I had the time, a better setup (more ram / newer video card), and no roommates who like to hog bandwidth every now and then ... maybe. I'm in a slightly-above-average guild (and I mean in general, not of the MMO Champ crowd where the median is, if you would believe everyone, in the 90th percentile of all guilds), but we carry a lot of dead weight ... a LOT. But I stick with it 'cause I raid about as often / for as long as I want, and can fit into my schedule. I'd have to step my game up, but I think, as others have said, the main difference is time put in ... if I had that much time to devote to it, I'd like to think I could step up to the plate and hold my own. Maybe not. Solid maybe.

[smashzu]

as im sure ,most of us have seen video's of top guilds ending fights world wide bosses we havent even seen yet.(well minus google and souch)

skilled as we think we are,do you think you might be able 2 be "up there"if you had the gear,and have he time?

Or like me, watching the videos and stil not get it

On a pure skill and teamwork level, I could hang in a top 25. I wouldn't necessarily say Paragon, but top 25 is doable.

That leads to my issue though... There's absolutely no way I would play that much. Even if somebody paid me to raid with them, there's just no way. I stopped raiding in cata because our 9 hour a week raiding schedule was cutting into my social life, let alone 30+ a week.

[asb]

As with several others in this thread, I know I can play in a top guild from a pure performance and awareness standpoint. I've never been in a seriously high-end guild before, so I've never had a perfectly optimized gear setup except during T7. Even so, I set many respectably-ranked performance logs when I raided. I also figure out mechanics a lot faster than almost anyone I've ever played with. However, I have no inclination towards raiding that much. It seems like a waste of time, to be perfectly honest. PvE races are a strange beast that I'm not sure I entirely understand.

[Mulled]

I don't think I have the stamina to do it or agility? idk which would be better suited, do I have the gear? yes the experience Yes? but the motivation is what I lack, also I couldn't get into Paragon or Method if I tryed, being an oceanic player.. but not to say if I got offered that I would turn it down.

[Rioo]

While I'm really good at DPSing, and thinking outside the box which have given my guild some nice world ranks, I can't raid for more then maybe 6-7h before I start to lose focus. Plus my studies stop me, there's no way I can take some days off there.

I've played with quite a lot of players in Ensidia, Apex, Inner Sanctum etc. and I was better then all but one when they were in my guild.