Windwalk or 130 Agi to wep?

[matherl]

I just leveled up my feral druid to tank for my guild and I bought a Ranseur of Hatred off the AH and it already had Windwalk on it, I wanna know what is better. 130 Agi or Windwalk

[Deleted]

Agility I believe

EDIT: Thats a pure guess, don't take my word for it

[Deleted]

130 agility, always


gives AP, dodge and crit, all which gives you damage mitigation

[Keilith]

feral tank and just leveld. take windwalk. Its more dodge then 130 agility.

[Hinalover]

Depends on your needs. If your in a raiding guild that is pushing hard modes, then go with the windwalker. If you are just doing normal raiding and Heroic dungeons 130 Agility is just fine.

[stizzed]

feral tank and just leveld. take windwalk. Its more dodge then 130 agility.

rofl to that, that is all.

[Deleted]

i rofl at anyone in this thread saying windwalk, "you get more dodge from windwalk derp" well agility gives you 3 diffrent sources of DAMAGE mitigation

AND more threat

AP= more damage= more threat, bigger savage defense absorbs
Crit= more damage = more threat, more savage defense procs = more damage absorbs
dodge= obvious lesser damage income

so 130 agility is superior to windwalk ALWAYS

[Rixis]

the agility is a permenant effect too, nothing worse than getting weapon procs just as a mob dies, or you've taunt swapped, or combat ends or you're running awaye etc etc

[Deleted]

Agil wins permant stat with a consistant effect, also good if you are needed as kitty dps in tank gear.

[Simca]

Personally, Windwalk, but they're close.

130 Agility: 130/243.58281085 = ~0.53% Dodge (and ~0.4% Crit and 260 AP)
Windwalk: (600 * 0.3)/176.71899 = ~2.04% Dodge (and a 30% uptime of +15% move speed that stacks with everything else in game)


Edit: It does depend on how much Dodge you already have. Windwalk will push Dodge DR much harder than 130 Agility. The more gear you get, the less effective Windwalk becomes.

[peki]

haha, go for 130agi, id try windwalk for shits and giggles but def agi

[Sesshomaru]

Depends on your needs. If your in a raiding guild that is pushing hard modes, then go with the windwalker. If you are just doing normal raiding and Heroic dungeons 130 Agility is just fine.

Pretty much this.
As 130 Agility provides a static stat (AGI = 2 AP, AP = AGI*2), which is a 260+ AP boost, without the 25% extra Attack power.
With it, it would be 260*1.25 = 325.
As it also increases the crit & dodge, you might think it's superior to Windwalk, but that's nonsense. At least in a physical fight.

More of that is explained in this guide, at Wowhead.

Here's the part if you don't want to spend the time at Wowhead:

The Agility enchant is a decent enchant that provides threat, avoidance and mitigation. It is overall a very good choice, and I would recommend it for 5-mans and normal modes of raids. Plus, it's cheap. Windwalk is a second option. It is more expensive, but offers a higher damage reduction against physical hits. If you struggle with survivability in Heroic modes of raids, i would suggest picking it up.

[SmokeyIllidan]

feral tank and just leveld. take windwalk. Its more dodge then 130 agility.

Do not listen to this person. Do not take their advice, because they are wrong.

130 AGI is the ONLY enchant a Cat/Bear will use.

[Siri]

You need the uptime on windwalk to be around a third (varies based on personal stat weigts which have to be calculated on a per player AND per boss basis) to break even with 130 agi from a pure mitigation/avoidance perspective.
130 agi has a nice benefit for your tps/dps as well whereas dodge actually has a negative effect.

[Suzuran]

As Simca put it. the gain from Agi is minimal compared to the gains of Windwalk, Keeping Windwalk is by far a better enchant. I have ran/experimented and found that Windwalk outweighs the 130 Agi... Since Windwalk was designed to be the new Feral tanking enchant (gone are the days of mongoose), and since Blizzard couldn't give us a sold stat boost, since otherwise the plate tanks would whine "Feral tanks get's a purpose implemented enchant, where's ours"

[tyggyr]

Windwalk ... (and a 30% uptime of +15% move speed that stacks with everything else in game)

You can't generically quote a 30% uptime for windwalk - it's RNG and heavily dependent on the fight and the rest of the raid environment.

Personally I've gone with 130 agi. If and when I get to hard mode fights where I suspect windwalk may be better, I'd get another weapon and put windwalk on it, for those fights, and use the 130 agi weapon for the rest (majority) of the fights.

ps - this has nothing to do with the cost of the enchants - I'd be using 130agi even if it cost 2000g more than windwalk; I've put windwalk on my two shield tanks' weapons and those guys barely raid; it's just that in a majority of cases 130agi will beat windwalk for a bear, and as I said when I find a fight where windwalk would excel, I'll use it then on another weapon.

---------- Post added 2011-08-08 at 10:40 PM ----------

Windwalk was designed to be the new Feral tanking enchant

Seems to me that it was "designed to be" a generic tanking enchant; the fact that only in some cases does windwalk average to a greater benefit than the static benefit that 130agi gives tells me that if they'd designed it for bears, they've failed.

Mongoose was better in WoLK for bears merely because the alternative was a measely 35agi and mongoose's uptime and benefit were considerably better on the average. To have windwalk be the equivalent of the (35agi vs mongoose) situation, it would have to have a higher uptime and provide the benefits of 450agi - which it definitely doesn't now.

[Cracka_Bob]

personal opinion:
Windwalk, because I like having more overall avoidance (according to spreadsheets) compared to 130 AGI

unbiased reasoning:
others have stated the pros and cons of Windwalk... sure it's a proc, but it's a net gain in avoidance (if that's what you're into) plus run speed on proc for a trade in threat which shouldn't be a problem unless you have less gear than the DPS in the raid. 130 AGI is also a better choice for those who plan to have a "hybrid" (and I use that term loosely) tank/DPS spec.

I'm sure there are other reasons I didn't cover but generally pick whichever one suits your playstyle and the content you're facing

[Simca]

30% uptime on Windwalk is a low estimate.

On Majordomo, Lord Rhyolith, and Beth'tilac, my Prot Warrior had 35%-40% uptime on Windwalk. On Shannox (dog tank kiter), Baleroc, and Alysrazor (tons of movement) it was around 25%-30%.

I picked 30% to be a low estimate for the Windwalk doubters. Windwalk is a better enchant straight up for most bears. For extremely geared Bears, 130 agility MIGHT pull ahead based on stat weights. I could do math on it, but I'm not THAT bored right now.


Edit: In case somebody is that bored, grab the Bear stat weights for a good fight from Rawr and use http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t29453-c..._85_cataclysm/ to calculate Diminishing Returns on Dodge for a well-geared player to see if 130 Agility is better than Windwalk in most fights.

[tyggyr]

Another thing to consider is that the dodge given by windwalk is subject to diminishing returns, just as the dodge provided by the agility of 130agi. Because of this you can't consider windwalk to give 3.4% more dodge - with a bear already at about 40% dodge after DR, the windwalk proc will give about another 1.5% dodge (yes, the DR hammer hits bears HARD), plus the movement speed, during the time that the windwalk is proc'd.

[masterprtzl]

go with 130 agi, the loss in avoidance is negligible, and then you get more dps and if you ever go into cat form you have a useful weapon enchant