[Megathread] Wildstar - Now F2P

[Nosdrone]

"You never get a second chance to make a first impression."

[Acidbaron]

sure you do if that weren't the case we would all be extinct, also a lot of games start out bad. Including WoW, plenty of people returned to their former mmo than they improved things beyond what they were used to from their former mmo and checked it out again.

Not saying it will go the same course here but games can get another chance once positive news starts to spread from it again, i never see wildstar becoming very big but between rift and swtor is very likely if we look at mmo's with sub options.

[Kelimbror]

most F2P games have crap, buggy and limited content. You keep using SWTOR as a shining example, there isn't a lot to do in that game, being Star Wars is what brings money in.

1) First statement is utter, biased horse crap.
2) Second statement implies no actual experience with the current incarnation of a game, so loop back up to number 1.

If you need to make up garbage to talk about a game, better to just not talk about it. There's as much or more to do in just about every MMO that isn't named Wildstar on the market right now. In fact, I have more to do playing my F2P games than I do with a subscription in WoW right now...and I'm enjoying WoW a lot. No amount of continuing to repeat fallacy makes it true.

[Acidbaron]

1) First statement is utter, biased horse crap.
2) Second statement implies no actual experience with the current incarnation of a game, so loop back up to number 1.

If you need to make up garbage to talk about a game, better to just not talk about it. There's as much or more to do in just about every MMO that isn't named Wildstar on the market right now. In fact, I have more to do playing my F2P games than I do with a subscription in WoW right now...and I'm enjoying WoW a lot. No amount of continuing to repeat fallacy makes it true.

Mirror, mirror on the wall whos the biggest hypocrit of them all?

[Kelimbror]

Mirror, mirror on the wall whos the biggest hypocrit of them all?

I'm so glad I decided I wanted to fight today and clicked on your white bar. Guess what hot shot? I got a free week to go back and play Wildstar. Do you know what there was to do? Nothing. The same nothing to do since launch. Drop 4 will change that, but there is no end game right now. There are no goals. Considering you quit, other raiders quit, and basically no one plays...I think the proof is in the pudding.

But hey, don't miss an attempt at a 'cheap shot' and make yourself look bad in the process. Carry on. Ad hom your way to internet glory.

PS- World was still beautiful and my characters were as awesome as ever. Since end game was boring as mess I used the remaining time to level a new character. Stalkers are pretty fun to play. Getting a taste of action combat is probably what led me to looking at Tera again. If Wildstar was that involved I could play it even with no end game, since that has been Tera's motto for a while.

Seems like they've added a lot of content and refined systems though. Hopefully Wildstar's next drop does something similar. It's looking good.

[Acidbaron]

I'm so glad I decided I wanted to fight today and clicked on your white bar. Guess what hot shot? I got a free week to go back and play Wildstar. Do you know what there was to do? Nothing. The same nothing to do since launch. Drop 4 will change that, but there is no end game right now. There are no goals. Considering you quit, other raiders quit, and basically no one plays...I think the proof is in the pudding.

But hey, don't miss an attempt at a 'cheap shot' and make yourself look bad in the process. Carry on. Ad hom your way to internet glory.

PS- World was still beautiful and my characters were as awesome as ever. Since end game was boring as mess I used the remaining time to level a new character. Stalkers are pretty fun to play. Getting a taste of action combat is probably what led me to looking at Tera again. If Wildstar was that involved I could play it even with no end game, since that has been Tera's motto for a while.

Seems like they've added a lot of content and refined systems though. Hopefully Wildstar's next drop does something similar. It's looking good.

You said the person replying to you has no knowledge and you went ahead and claimed that EVERY mmo out there has less content than wildstar out there.
That implies you play over 20 mmo's weekly easily.

So instead of you thinking i was defending wildstar i was pointing out the obvious absurdity of your post. So hey, want me to hold that mirror up again?

[zito]

You said the person replying to you has no knowledge and you went ahead and claimed that EVERY mmo out there has less content than wildstar out there.
That implies you play over 20 mmo's weekly easily.

So instead of you thinking i was defending wildstar i was pointing out the obvious absurdity of your post. So hey, want me to hold that mirror up again?

But can you prove the reverse? That every MMO does have more end game content? If not then what's the point? By your own logic you shouldn't even be in this thread but ah well whatever.

[Acidbaron]

But can you prove the reverse? That every MMO does have more end game content? If not then what's the point? By your own logic you shouldn't even be in this thread but ah well whatever.

So it's more likely that every mmo out there in every stage of development has more content than a finished mmo than the opposite. wow, that's not bias at all, hah.

[Kelimbror]

But can you prove the reverse? That every MMO does have more end game content? If not then what's the point? By your own logic you shouldn't even be in this thread but ah well whatever.

It's also funny that the argument boils down to semantics and assumption, which is pretty much the weakest basis for trying to make a point. I guess I should apologize for not saying 'mainstream western MMOs' and just said 'every'. I'd rather not sound like a technical writing manual.

And then thinking you need to play 20 (embellishment) MMOs a week to see what content they have. You know, those of us that frequently play 5+ MMOs on a regular basis just don't know what we're talking about. It's not like just the other day I played 4 MMOs or anything. Let's see...what is installed on my computer right now?

WoW
Tera
Vindictus
LotRO
Firefall
GW2
GW
SWTOR
Rift
Wildstar

I'm probably missing a few, but I have played every single one of those this month. But hey, what do I know right? I should spend my time tossing out vapid and baseless insults to look cool!

(obviously this isn't aimed at you, but you know that)

[zito]

So it's more likely that every mmo out there in every stage of development has more content than a finished mmo than the opposite. wow, that's not bias at all, hah.

I am not claiming such things. I asked if you can prove it in reverse. If not then you have no substance yourself. So it's a hypocrite calling out people as hypocrites.

[Tekkommo]

Mirror, mirror on the wall whos the biggest hypocrit of them all?

Nooooo, don't make me agree with you!

I've played a lot of SWTOR lately, just prior to the expansion. There was fuck all to do at max level, very limited content and still buggy. Same goes for other MMOs he listed.

Put it this way, if any of them were good and full of content, he wouldn't of played them all this month.

[Acidbaron]

It's also funny that the argument boils down to semantics and assumption, which is pretty much the weakest basis for trying to make a point. I guess I should apologize for not saying 'mainstream western MMOs' and just said 'every'. I'd rather not sound like a technical writing manual.

And then thinking you need to play 20 (embellishment) MMOs a week to see what content they have. You know, those of us that frequently play 5+ MMOs on a regular basis just don't know what we're talking about. It's not like just the other day I played 4 MMOs or anything. Let's see...what is installed on my computer right now?
I'm probably missing a few, but I have played every single one of those this month. But hey, what do I know right? I should spend my time tossing out vapid and baseless insults to look cool!

It''s funny you say that, cause that's generally how you argue, if someone else said that you don't accept such an answer.

So okay, you're now saying less content for your playstyle than other mmo's you generally play, that's completely different from saying "every". See is it that's hard saying you're wrong from time to time and exeaggerate things greatly.

I'll let you now get back to your regular posting now after this

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I am not claiming such things. I asked if you can prove it in reverse. If not then you have no substance yourself. So it's a hypocrite calling out people as hypocrites.

That's exactly what you're saying, by finding the opposite more likely. The person in question even rephrased himself so

[Kelimbror]

Put it this way, if any of them were good and full of content, he wouldn't of played them all this month.

Hrm...where to start...

Welp. You are not every other person out there. Some people actually live fulfilling and rich lives with varied experiences. I guess people who don't eat the same thing every day eat a lot of gross food. Wearing different clothes, yeah your clothes suck. And several other fallacies.

I honestly don't even know how one could come to such a tremendous leap in faulty logic. It's a bit disturbing. I feel like I need to reach out to you in order to assist with finding enrichment in daily activities. Maybe together we can help you enjoy games more.

Short version: I enjoy playing a lot of different games and sacrifice many long term goals in order to do that. It's a trade off that is difficult, but I find the overall enjoyment is greater that way. I like playing all the MMOs from an intellectual/educational and pure enjoyment standpoint. Sorry to blast your 'theory' out of the water.

[Tekkommo]

Hrm...where to start...

Welp. You are not every other person out there. Some people actually live fulfilling and rich lives with varied experiences. I guess people who don't eat the same thing every day eat a lot of gross food. Wearing different clothes, yeah your clothes suck. And several other fallacies.

I honestly don't even know how one could come to such a tremendous leap in faulty logic. It's a bit disturbing. I feel like I need to reach out to you in order to assist with finding enrichment in daily activities. Maybe together we can help you enjoy games more.

Short version: I enjoy playing a lot of different games and sacrifice many long term goals in order to do that. It's a trade off that is difficult, but I find the overall enjoyment is greater that way. I like playing all the MMOs from an intellectual/educational and pure enjoyment standpoint. Sorry to blast your 'theory' out of the water.

I guess you just have far too much free time to be able to play 10 MMOs in a month. WoW takes up my free time at the moment.

Oh and stop it with your petty insults.

It''s funny you say that, cause that's generally how you argue

He is rather odd, but hey, rather amusing at the same time.

[Deleted]

So many unhappy posters, all being Mr Angry and insulting each other! On the plus side I actually think one of you used the word Wildstar!
No idea what I missed to make you all so bitter, just glad I did.....cheer up, soon be Christmas

[Katchii]

If Wildstar went F2P I'd go back and check it out. I'm just not about to pay for what it is now when there are is at least one other MMO out there that is just better. My "better" may be different than yours, so YMMV.

[Edge-]

Doomed to F2P is fair enough as well, most F2P games have crap, buggy and limited content. You keep using SWTOR as a shining example, there isn't a lot to do in that game, being Star Wars is what brings money in.

What F2P games are you talking about?

Rift has pretty solid, relatively bug-free content updates. So does Aion, and SWTOR, and DCUO, and a whole host of other F2P MMO's.

What do you think is lacking in SWTOR? They've added a whole hell of a lost over the past year. Galactic Starfighter, Galactic Strongholds, an expansion with new story content and levels, new daily areas, new raids/dungeons, an in-game casino. I'll totally grant you that the IP goes a long way in helping keep people interested in the game, but there needs to be a solid game to keep enough people interested, which was why the game struggled so much out of the gate. Because the game wasn't that great and was very limited in terms of what it offered.

"You never get a second chance to make a first impression."

FFXIV: ARR, and many of the F2P games that transitioned post-launch disagree with you.

[Deleted]

And this is the first big STEP

Hey everyone!

We've just released our upcoming content update on the PTR and it is good to see that improvements and enhancements are being well received. Many of the changes are a direct result of feedback from our players.

Over the past few months we’ve received a lot of feedback about WildStar. Much of it has focused on the fact that although many of our systems are unique, engaging and fun, many of them are inaccessible to certain groups of players. At Carbine, our philosophy has always been "play the way you want to play," and therefore we have been working very hard to make sure players can experience and enjoy WildStar's content - regardless of their level or playstyle preference. Along with these accessibility initiatives, we made a lot of what we call "quality of life" adjustments, continuing to improve and streamline the overall experience of WildStar across a variety of different areas. The result? From what players have said so far, this is our best update yet.

What are some of these cool new things, you might ask? Let me tell you!

Players will now have access to a low-level training dungeon called Protogames Academy, teaching them the team mechanics that will lead to greater success in group content.
We're releasing a brand new level-six Shiphand Mission called They Came From Fragment Zero! which takes place in the unexplored reaches of the Halon Ring!
There are now Veteran versions of all Shiphand Missions, giving max-level solo and group players additional content once they reach level cap.
We have enhanced the LFG tool, which now includes access to all Shiphand Missions - allowing players to queue up whether they want to play solo or with a group.
A new random queue bonus has been added to the group finder that will yield valuable currency and experience along with helping queue times.
We added tons of new player customization options - including costumes, as well as the ability to alter your avatar's physical appearance after character creation!
We made significant adjustments to the quest experience in our early zones, focusing on things like quest flow, objective counts, and group accessibility.
We've improved the Dungeon Medal system, providing greater insight into how you are progressing through a dungeon's objectives, and rewarding you every step of the way.
We’ve added a new currency type called Glory which is earned by completing dungeons and raids. Glory can be exchanged for high-quality gear in the capital cities.
A new dungeon, called Ultimate Protogames, which offers our max-level players exciting new challenges from the galaxy's most infamous (and profit-minded!) corporation!
We are adjusting the group size requirement for Datascape from 40 to 20 players, allowing more players to experience this awesome raid!
I hope that hearing about this new content gets you excited about all the things that are happening in WildStar, and I would encourage all of you log into the PTR and get a sneak preview. As always, we want to hear what you have to say about the game, so get in there, play and send us your feedback. We've done a lot of work, and have a lot more planned for 2015. We are fully committed to this game, and to the players -like you– who make it great.

[Edge-]

At Carbine, our philosophy has always been "play the way you want to play,"

While I think that's a great letter overall, that one bit can't help but jump out and punch me in the face.

Can they just be honest about it, for once? This was never their philosophy, their philosophy was very brazenly, "Get hardcore and raid or get out." Their continued rewriting of history is really beginning to get on my nerves.

[Acidbaron]

While I think that's a great letter overall, that one bit can't help but jump out and punch me in the face.

Can they just be honest about it, for once? This was never their philosophy, their philosophy was very brazenly, "Get hardcore and raid or get out." Their continued rewriting of history is really beginning to get on my nerves.

It was their ideology if you spoke with the developers it's just that part of the game never came into realization beyond the drawning board phase.