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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by lasermizer View Post
    I'm not convinced that this shammy knows his/her class completely. Why would you reforge spirit to hit with the Elemental Precision talent. That makes no sense. Knobey is losing regen and throughput at the same time.
    Oh come on. That's been discussed already.
    He only reforges Spirit to hit on a piece that he wouldn't reforge else. The spirit to hit conversion doesn't affect the fire elemental totem. Proof is that the elemental had two melee-misses although the shaman is over the hitcap.
    Reforging spirit to hit there squeezes a little bit of extra DPS out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lasermizer View Post
    I'm not convinced that this shammy knows his/her class completely. Why would you reforge spirit to hit with the Elemental Precision talent. That makes no sense. Knobey is losing regen and throughput at the same time.
    This has already been discussed ad nauseum if you read the thread.
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    I wish the proc from LB/LvB/Fulm/etc. showed up as actual Wrath of Tarecgosa damage so that we wouldn't have to play the guessing game as to what/how it benefits Elemental shamans.
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    The staff seems to be a 5k+ dps gain just by itself. I am collecting the embers atm so it will be awhile before I get my hands on one. Wish the spec got buffed earlier then I would have been given the 2nd staff. I do envy those ele shamans who are in the raid purely as a dps though as I am 1/2 as dps, 1/4 as a healer and 1/4 as a DK (LOL). Still it is nice to be able to be top or be close to the top of the meters on single target fights.

  5. #45
    Please read the totemspot thread on this subject... from what they believe it is the 1% from draenei that isn't applied. Elemental precision is applied however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lasermizer View Post
    I'm not convinced that this shammy knows his/her class completely. Why would you reforge spirit to hit with the Elemental Precision talent. That makes no sense. Knobey is losing regen and throughput at the same time.
    Because the Elemental Precision talent doesn't account for the Elementals as well, especially if it's only spell hit. Only actual hit will do both since it's not only to spell hit.

    EDITED: Anyways, those numbers are quite decent for a shaman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tenub View Post
    it isn't the legendary or the tricks or my fm

    it's the fact that knobey is a beast
    Yea and no, hes good don't get me wrong but cmon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renwin View Post
    Because the Elemental Precision talent doesn't account for the Elementals as well, especially if it's only spell hit. Only actual hit will do both since it's not only to spell hit.
    This has been discussed and tested to death over at Totemspot. Spirit and Hit both benefit your Fire Elemental equally, as it does for you (the caster).

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by rewn View Post
    And how many buttons would he need to push to be considered a "beast" then? Most classes have roughly the same number of buttons to push as Elemental.
    Um, that's my exact point. This game isn't hard. Any dumbass could have gear and mediocre/above average knowledge of the game and be able to perform well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tnewor View Post
    Um, that's my exact point. This game isn't hard. Any dumbass could have gear and mediocre/above average knowledge of the game and be able to perform well.
    No need to be abrasive. But seriously, there's still some skill left in the game. If the skill cap was set so low, then min-max players wouldn't be able to do so much better than the rest of the world.

  12. #52
    I would dearly love to see dps of the people going on about stupid he is etc. From my experience, the average player DPS is 12k, and the average raider DPS is 18-20k.

    He is hitting 42k. So, by any logic that means he is doing something right, or are peoepl *really* that petty and jealous, they have to try and insult osmeone they don't even know, and who probably doesn't even know (or care) that this thread exists? Seriously, some of you people *really* need to get out more.

    Also, he is hitting 42k dps, thats HUGE. It doesn't matter one iota if he hasn't talented correctly or gemmed correctly in your opinion. Chances are, he is probably doing more than 2z the amount of damage your guilds top dpser is doing, so seriously, stop it with the hating, your just looking like children who try to slag off the kid at school with the new toy, simply because you want one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radux View Post
    This has been discussed and tested to death over at Totemspot. Spirit and Hit both benefit your Fire Elemental equally, as it does for you (the caster).
    So they have actually come to an agreement that it is infact Heroic Presence and not Elemental Precision that's bugged?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tnewor View Post
    Um, that's my exact point. This game isn't hard. Any dumbass could have gear and mediocre/above average knowledge of the game and be able to perform well.
    As Radux said, If the game were as easy as you are making it out to be, there would not be such a large difference between those world first players and the common player. There is still skill to the game, whether that's pushing buttons, paying attention in fights and learning to position yourself better to move less or a whole other number of things.
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  14. #54
    Another thread on this person? He must be getting famous.

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    I thought this whole rumour about spirit not effecting Fire Elemental was debunked, from what I have read it does get hit from spirit but it doesn't get hit from the 1% Dreanei racial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rewn View Post
    So they have actually come to an agreement that it is infact Heroic Presence and not Elemental Precision that's bugged?
    I don't know. I haven't been following that discussion. My point was that there's still a myth out there that Spirit doesn't affect your Fire Elemental's Hit via Elemental Precision. So people were reforging their Spirit to Hit. Enough discussion/testing has been done to show that they affect it equally.

    So chances are that it was Heroic Presence, though. I'm not sure. Haven't really looked into the issue or the discussion yet.

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by huangzhong9 View Post
    i would say that is pretty accurate, though i did lol a bit when i saw the 21 TotTs he got.
    Indeed. With the recent across the board buff and a 15% damage buff for 40% of the fight, and his gear, not really surprised. Would be pretty much inline with any other class getting the same treatment.

  18. #58
    Spirit = hit. People reforge to hit because 1) because they can 2) more reforging options if an item already has hit or spirit 3) when the raid leader asks you to heal you tell him "I am not reforged to heal" so he picks someone else to heal. It was noticed a LONG time ago from logs but a lot of ele shaman from top guilds still did it. Why? Because you cant be wrong in doing that.

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  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Radux View Post
    This has been discussed and tested to death over at Totemspot. Spirit and Hit both benefit your Fire Elemental equally, as it does for you (the caster).
    Wait, now I'm confused. Didn't 2 pages just go by where someone was saying this and everyone (including a mod) scoffed him off as a troll?

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