Single target tanking, CS/HoR

[hss87]

I'm fairly new to prot paladins, but lately I've been noticing alot of tanks using Hammer of the Righteous on single target bosses, like Cho gall and Ragnaros.
One of the best geared tanks on my server is a paladin and he keeps using HOR more than CS when hitting one target. I thought the general rotation was that you use Crusader Strike on single target fights and HOR when hitting multiple mobs, or have I missed something here:P ?

[jsz]

That's been my understanding as well, on my alt prot paladin.

There have existed macros for one button tanking, one macro for aoe tanking and one macro for single target. Maybe it's just easier to keep hitting one macro all the time.

[Darkdruidelf]

Odd, the only explanation I can imagine for this is it does more damage, since, atm, threat is hardly much of an issue. But I honestly dunno if it does more damage. Maybe it procs more stuff? Maybe they just find it easier doing the same thing for single target as AoE and save a hotkey? Could just be a lazy thing.

[Dakia]

CS over HotR for single target is generally the case.

[BeingRepressed]

If a prot paladin is using HotR over CS in a single-target fight, he's either terribad or being incredibly lazy.

[a21fa7c67f26f6d49a20c2c51]

Odd, the only explanation I can imagine for this is it does more damage, since, atm, threat is hardly much of an issue. But I honestly dunno if it does more damage. Maybe it procs more stuff? Maybe they just find it easier doing the same thing for single target as AoE and save a hotkey? Could just be a lazy thing.

It's a matter of lazyness. Threat is a non-issue (and has never really been an issue outside of 10m guilds in the first 15 seconds of an encounter). Crusader Strike and Hammer of the Righteous do effectively the same job: hit a mob for some amount of damage, generate one holy power. They can both proc a free shield, they both proc seals the same way. The only difference is that Crusader Strike hits a single target about 75% harder. taking a random parse Hammer of the Righteous hits for around 5k, Crusader strike for around 9k. For a tank, nobody cares how much damage you do - and with threat being so unimportant, some people feel like just having one universal "push this to make holy power" button is fine.

I'm not sure you can really blame people still running Cho'gall for half-assing their class. In a 5-minute encounter a paladin will have around 50-ish CS/HoR attacks. The total difference in damage dealt is around 200k -- that's what? 2 arcane blasts, 0.5 seconds longer to kill a boss (assuming your guild has DPS sufficient to kill heroic baleroc 10m)? There's no good reason to use HoR over CS at max level on a single target encounter - but 600 more DPS isn't much of a reason not to either (especially if you're just playing an alt or don't really want 'extra complexity' of having to choose between two buttons). They've probably noticed that threat/damage doesn't matter and just stopped caring.

[Deleted]

If a prot paladin is using HotR over CS in a single-target fight, he's either terribad or being incredibly lazy.

^ This. I don't care how much gear they have, it doesn't mean they have any clue what they're doing. Some tanks are just lazy about their DPS, which is incredibly stupid considering tanks can do a decent amount of damage nowadays.

[Affenkatzen18]

Since of last patch tanks generate 500% Threat.
There is simply no reason at all why you wouldnt just spam one button.
(Except if you got 2p T11, you dmg more with Crusader Strike).

[Pope]

Wrath of the Lightbringer is our highest DPS-talent, so to still use HoR just makes them lazy.

Personally, I just use two identical bars for tanking, with either HoR or CS. Scrolling them with mousewheel is easier then any modifier-macro.

[DechCJC]

Most prot paladins in pugs I see do this. I honestly think they're just bads, it doesn't make that much difference for them now to even care about a slight damage increase.

[Reith]

Since of last patch tanks generate 500% Threat.
There is simply no reason at all why you wouldnt just spam one button.
(Except if you got 2p T11, you dmg more with Crusader Strike).

... What? Your post makes no sense at all. The T11 set bonus doesn't make much of a difference. A Paladin tank should always Crusader Strike on single-target. Period. If a tank is not maximizing his DPS via rotation, then he's not contributing as much as he could.

[Raugnaut]

As has been stated, its a laziness issue. However, I would not want to run with that tank on Alysrazor or Baleroc, and any other fight where tank damage can matter.

[Estragenlol]

During WotLK for some time HotR was better than CS even for single target. Definitely isn't the case now.

[Inclusion]

Since of last patch tanks generate 500% Threat.
There is simply no reason at all why you wouldnt just spam one button.
(Except if you got 2p T11, you dmg more with Crusader Strike).

That might take the reigns on the stupidest thing I've heard in a long long time.

CS Single target. HoTR 2+ targets.

While tank damage might not matter: I (With full vengeance) crit for 30k+ with CS as compared too ~13k with HoTR.

[Dedweight]

During WotLK for some time HotR was better than CS even for single target. Definitely isn't the case now.

I believe CS was a Ret talent in Wrath so all you had for your filler was HotR, could be wrong though as I was Prot 90% of Wrath and didn't pay much attention to the spells/talents.

[Affenkatzen18]

Alright to clarify on a few things.

What i meant was sort of a joke.
Personally i would always use CS over HoR on single Target, but there is absolutly no reason to it.
The damage you would do you otherwise would do using CS is so little that it dosent matter.
(Also with all the Nerfs that blizz have put into Bwd/boT/Totw - The Enrage timer is so far away that even the 10 most stupid people can pug it.

[Ogretron]

If a prot paladin is using HotR over CS in a single-target fight, he's either terribad or being incredibly lazy.

This right here. It's too easy to be bad and succeed a this game. Outside of people getting firsts, the game is too easy and people can get away with being lazy.

[Impartial]

CS>HotR single target. HotR is purely for cleaving.

[DerSenf]

Yeah, i notice this a lot too. Since my main is a prot Pally and most of the tanks i run into when playing an alt are Paladins, just the sound of a HotR in a single target bossfight makes me sick.
I absolutely hate this lazyness. Whats so hard about having both spells bound? For my bindings, it's just "3" for CS and "Alt+3" for HotR.
But as many have stated before: Since aggro problems are nonexistent now, you can't really tell a random to "Use Crusader Strike for more threat" whitout getting /lol'd

[Deleted]

If you want your mage to do 3k dps, he might have to upgrade from 378 to 391. Just the opposite, if a Tank is doing something wrong and causing a 3k dps loss to the Raid (which is very easily done), he is effectively turning a dps with top performance into a mediocre player, so to speak. And yes, I've seen tanks doing 18k on Baleroc, and I've also seen tanks doing 12k there, both from my guild, and such difference is not uncommon as you might think.