Firelands: Stop bashing the changes

[Pandragon]

Yes it's rather disappointing that Blizzard nerfed Firelands while it is current content. But being current content is why they nerfed it. Let's look at some questions.

Have you killed N/H Rag?

If so then good for you, you killed him before the nerfs, you can already do the raid and its easy for you, nothing for you changes.

If not, why are you complaining. Now you have the chance to kill Ragnaros and see all the content of Firelands, so see the fights on heroic, and down them.


These nerfs were made so people who were struggling through Firelands could get through it, and see all that it has to offer in content while it's still current, and to help people when the next raid and 5 mans come out.

I'm sure the new 5 mans won't replace every slot with a new piece of gear, so having a 391 from heroic Firelands will help, especially since chances are the new 5 mans won't be higher in ILVL then 391.

Do you wanna face Deathwings powerful generals with an average ilvl of 360-370?

Cause I don't. I wouldn't want to spend the first 3 months of the Dragon Soul wiping on the first couple bosses cause I couldn't get through Firelands and get the better gear.

Standing in Org/Stormwind and seeing people in the good guilds wearing the good Dragon Soul gear is rather depressing when you know you can't get through the stuff.

[Rockspirit]

I have to say I agree with this. As a player whose guild has not yet cleared much of Firelands (due to various issues with people leaving, not performing etc.) I am looking forward to seeing a couple of the new fights rather than just bashing our heads against the same boss every week. Yes we may not be as good as the top guilds out there, we're not at our peak certainly and we're never going to be one of the ones clearing HC mode bosses within 2 months of a patch.

But it is still fun to see the bosses, if that makes us bad players then so be it. I, for one, think that nerfs allowing more people to see the content are very welcome and if you cleared it before them then well done, you can feel very special. We had a problem on Al'Akir with server DCs which meant the night before the nerfs we should have had him down but we didn't - understandably we were disappointed but we just moved on and were happy to get our kill and experience the content. If you're just after loot then I feel sorry for you.

[arlen]

I welcome the changes. Anything to shorten my raid week.

[Splosion]

I welcome the changes. Anything to shorten my raid week.

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Agreed. I love raiding, but wiping on bosses isn't as fun as one might think. Leaves more time for other things.

[Gary Busey on a Rampage]

Here is why I am complaining.

Our guild finally killed the sixth boss last week to open up Heroic Ragnaros. We only raid two nights a week and it was really exciting to begin working on Heroic Ragnaros. We even decided to add a third day last week just to work on him and begin to learn the fight.

Tonight with all the nerfs, it took us about two hours to reach Heroic Ragnaros, and we put in about five attempts, with attempt five getting Heroic Ragnaros down to 30%, remember the fight is over at 10%. These were solid attempts getting quite far into the fight each time.

How are we supposed to feel when we most likely will kill him this week or next, after the nerfs?

I wouldn't mind the nerfs if they were the last couple weeks before 4.3, but to me, it's still in the middle of the content. Why nerf it now, before most guilds have a chance to progress on it?

[Mammoth]

I for one enjoy seeing the HM mechanics that I would otherwise be unable to see when stuck on a previous boss for a long period of time.

[Asics]

Shortening the raid week isn't bad imo.

[varstjasol]

I loved being able to clear through 6/7 HM in a little over one hour. Gives us a lot of extra time to smash our heads against H Rag. =) We had Beth at 10% last week so I was a little sad that we didn't get 6/7 pre nerf but I know now that we were skilled enough to do so. (RL issues slowed us down) My only focus has and will remain to be H Rag and we just didn't have the group to do it pre-nerf.

[Deleted]

I really dont mind the chages as every says it gives other people the chaces to clear FL who have been strugling through various reasons , like my situation i joined a new guild about 5 weeks ago and we do FL 10 man 3 times a week .. some how its been amazing my group has done amazing 4/7 on the first night together as a new guild and 6/7 asfter first week and we have been trying to get raggy down for 2 weeks before the nerf .. purly just to say we done it before the nerf but alass we failed last night i i dont think we will have time to do it but least i know il see raggy hit the floor now

[varstjasol]

Here is why I am complaining.

Our guild finally killed the sixth boss last week to open up Heroic Ragnaros. We only raid two nights a week and it was really exciting to begin working on Heroic Ragnaros. We even decided to add a third day last week just to work on him and begin to learn the fight.

Tonight with all the nerfs, it took us about two hours to reach Heroic Ragnaros, and we put in about five attempts, with attempt five getting Heroic Ragnaros down to 30%, remember the fight is over at 10%. These were solid attempts getting quite far into the fight each time.

lol the fight is not over at 10% at all. That's when phase 4 starts.

[Coldkil]

Tonight with all the nerfs, it took us about two hours to reach Heroic Ragnaros, and we put in about five attempts, with attempt five getting Heroic Ragnaros down to 30%, remember the fight is over at 10%. These were solid attempts getting quite far into the fight each time.

You clearly don't have ever seen HM Ragnaros, since only in normal it disappears at 10%, in HM you'll have to do the 4th phase wichi lets you kill him (bring him to 0%).

[Fraza]

3 months into ICC they start introducing incremental 5% buffs to players. Community is in rage.
2 months into Firelands they massively nerf everything in one swift hit. People support and defend this.

What gives?

[weirdman]

This is the whole point though of why people don't like nerfs and dont like heroics giving mid-level tier equivelant gear.

"Standing in Org/Stormwind and seeing people in the good guilds wearing the good Dragon Soul gear is rather depressing when you know you can't get through the stuff. "

if your not in a good guild or you cant perform you shouldnt be handed this stuff that shows accomplishment and skill on a silver platter.

Frankly the whole point of "progression" is to progress through the content if you get to skip the first 2 tiers it doesnt prepare you properly for the later stuff and it snowballs in to more and more bads and bad guilds failing and getting frustrated then yelling at blizz for making it too hard when its their own fault for not following the path blizzard laid out for them.

[Gary Busey on a Rampage]

You clearly don't have ever seen HM Ragnaros, since only in normal it disappears at 10%, in HM you'll have to do the 4th phase wichi lets you kill him (bring him to 0%).

I don't know the fight, because I didn't realize he doesn't despawn at 10%, something I didn't realize since we didn't get that far? Um okay.

[Deleted]

Here is why I am complaining.

Our guild finally killed the sixth boss last week to open up Heroic Ragnaros. We only raid two nights a week and it was really exciting to begin working on Heroic Ragnaros. We even decided to add a third day last week just to work on him and begin to learn the fight.

Tonight with all the nerfs, it took us about two hours to reach Heroic Ragnaros, and we put in about five attempts, with attempt five getting Heroic Ragnaros down to 30%, remember the fight is over at 10%. These were solid attempts getting quite far into the fight each time.

How are we supposed to feel when we most likely will kill him this week or next, after the nerfs?

I wouldn't mind the nerfs if they were the last couple weeks before 4.3, but to me, it's still in the middle of the content. Why nerf it now, before most guilds have a chance to progress on it?

Ragnaros heroic begins when you get him to 10%...

[Deleted]

changes are a little overkill . the normal modes weren't very hard even before the nerf .

i also dont see why every player , no matter how bad he is , MUST have the opportunity to instantly raid the new raiding tier .
if he IS bad then why not raid the nurfed FL for 2-3 weeks after a nerf in 4.3

without the changes bad player would not get the current heroic gear .....

care ? no
fair ? yes


btw i am only 3/7 hc myself

[Warhunt]

Here is why I am complaining.

Our guild finally killed the sixth boss last week to open up Heroic Ragnaros. We only raid two nights a week and it was really exciting to begin working on Heroic Ragnaros. We even decided to add a third day last week just to work on him and begin to learn the fight.

Tonight with all the nerfs, it took us about two hours to reach Heroic Ragnaros, and we put in about five attempts, with attempt five getting Heroic Ragnaros down to 30%, remember the fight is over at 10%. These were solid attempts getting quite far into the fight each time.

How are we supposed to feel when we most likely will kill him this week or next, after the nerfs?

I wouldn't mind the nerfs if they were the last couple weeks before 4.3, but to me, it's still in the middle of the content. Why nerf it not, before we even make progress on it?

Take one less DPS next time then. That should allow you the ego boost you and your group want

Bottom line, Blizzard the makers of this game, have said anyone who has not done Ragnaros by now is not good enough/dedicated enough to have done so.

I really don't understand the people who moan like this. Have Blizzard refused to let you go in to the raid unlike everyone else? Have you been experiencing a bug which made your progress harder than Method's/Paragon's? No. Again bottom line, you have had enough time to do it. Just like everyone else.

I actually think it's a good thing. It's like a time limit

[armone]

I don't know the fight, because I didn't realize he doesn't despawn at 10%, something I didn't realize since we didn't get that far? Um okay.

do you play a nelf male hunter by any chance

[Rockspirit]

How are we supposed to feel when we most likely will kill him this week or next, after the nerfs?

I wouldn't mind the nerfs if they were the last couple weeks before 4.3, but to me, it's still in the middle of the content. Why nerf it now, before most guilds have a chance to progress on it?

I see your point but, to be honest you are always going to have a guild or group that is at this stage when the nerfs come in. There will always be people who have just reached heroic Rag so there is never a good time to introduce them. Even a week before 4.3 there will still be people frantically trying to kill him before the patch.

[TiredTofu]

Yes it's rather disappointing that Blizzard nerfed Firelands while it is current content. But being current content is why they nerfed it. Let's look at some questions.

Have you killed N/H Rag?

If so then good for you, you killed him before the nerfs, you can already do the raid and its easy for you, nothing for you changes.

If not, why are you complaining. Now you have the chance to kill Ragnaros and see all the content of Firelands, so see the fights on heroic, and down them.

[snip]

Do you wanna face Deathwings powerful generals with an average ilvl of 360-370?

First question: Yes, I've killed N Rag. My guild is also currently working through Heroic content at a reasonable pace. We're satisfied with our rate of progression, but I know that the entire guild is disappointed that we will never get the "whole" experience of those fights, and the feeling of accomplishment that comes with it. It's not just about downing fights, it's about how you do it, and how much enjoyment you get out of it. My guild likes a good challenge, others like easier content. To each their own.

Second question: No I don't. But I'm not going to, nor would I even if my guild was having issues in Firelands.
Before going into Dragon Soul, you will have access to be a whole new tier of Valor gear, plus new Firelands-quality gear from the new 5-mans, both on top of the Firelands gear you already have. You can even include the easy-mode Random Raid Finder gear.
If you vitally need this nerf to gear up for 4.3, then something's wrong.