Deep Wounds Strange Behaviour

[Ildurnest]

Player A
Armory A

Player B
Armory B


This is something I have been experiencing and leaning my eye on, but I cannot find any explanation for this. These logs are merely an example as this has been happening for quite some time now.

Why is Deep Wounds damage, despite higher uptime, virtually the same amount of crits and almost equal rotation giving such different results? And this one difference isn't even that high, I have seen much higher.

The only explanation I can come up with is that old deep wounds munching phenomenon that happened back in WTLK. Is it still there? What I mean is: If my weapon swings are synced, will I lose on double crit whites due to munching?
Still, this explanation cant account for that difference.

Would very much appreciate any insight into this problem. (might be something very simple I'm overlooking).

[KahnOWhoopass]

The averages for Pecas are higher, even with 10 sec less time... At a glance, one thing I notice is more HS crits, which only makes me wonder if he's stacking deep wounds higher than you, thus giving his tics more ramp, where yours are refreshing later or falling off. He has 2% more crit than you, and better rage gen w/hit, giving him those HS thus quicker DW refreshes.

Just a theory.

[Ildurnest]

The averages for Pecas are higher, even with 10 sec less time... At a glance, one thing I notice is more HS crits, which only makes me wonder if he's stacking deep wounds higher than you, thus giving his tics more ramp, where yours are refreshing later or falling off. He has 2% more crit than you, and better rage gen w/hit, giving him those HS thus quicker DW refreshes.

Just a theory.

Only 3 Incite procs difference. 10 crits difference overall. That's mere rng...
Can't blame all that on rng =/

[KahnOWhoopass]

Only 3 Incite procs difference. 10 crits difference overall. That's mere rng...
Can't blame all that on rng =/

It's not the incite procs, it's the landing a crit period. Pretty sure deep wounds still works that if you crit w/one tic of deep wounds left, that last tic will hit like 2, one from the first crit, one from the second, then if you don't crit again before it falls off, it'll just tic as normal. So if he's critting more often, he's stacking higher tics. The tool tip of the debuff doesn't show DW as stacks, but you kinda need to think of it as that. He's probably keeping up higher "Stacks", hence the higher average.

[Deleted]

Deep Wounds applications stack. If you crit twice in a row you'll have a stronger Deep Wounds ticks with a refreshed duration.

The only thing that really separates the two Warriors is the amount of critical Heroic Strikes they have. It's possible Pëcas is better at utilizing his Incite procs (just having them doesn't necessarily mean you actually used them), or perhaps he mashed buttons harder during Heroism. Perhaps Pëcas stored more rage before his Recklessness/Apparatus.

I'm not sure why this has occured, it could be RNG, but if the differance persists then ask Ildur to account for such things better.

[Porcell]

Below is a list from the World of Logs, filtered for Crits and references to Deep Wounds. Look at the bold sections. Every other instance there is "Crit" followed by "Affected" or "Refreshed," even for crit that come in quick succession, EXCEPT when Raging Blow Mainhand and Raging Blow Offhand both crit at the same time, in which case there is only one "Refreshed" message.

As for how this impacts the discussion, Ildur had 7 Off-Hand Raging Blow crits at the same time as he had Mainhand crits, whereas Pecas had only 3 Off-Hand Crits coinciding with Mainhand hits.

So Ildur had 166 Crits, but 7 of those were doubled up Raging Blows, so only 159 Procs of Deep Wounds, for 1559627 Damage total, or 9809 damage per application.

Pecas had 176 Crits, but 3 of those were doubled up Raging Blows, so only 173 Procs of Deep Wounds, for 1795345 Damage total, or 10377 damage per application.

[00:51:45.005] Pëcas crits Baleroc *13611*
[00:51:45.839] Baleroc afflicted by Deep Wounds from Pëcas
[00:51:49.967] Pëcas Bloodthirst Baleroc *62648*
[00:51:50.717] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:51:51.545] Pëcas crits Baleroc *27561*
[00:51:52.339] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:51:52.464] Pëcas Heroic Strike Baleroc *29286*
[00:51:53.170] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:51:53.262] Pëcas Bloodthirst Baleroc *42927*
[00:51:53.976] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:51:54.836] Pëcas Raging Blow Baleroc *26383*
[00:51:54.836] Pëcas Raging Blow Off-Hand Baleroc
[00:51:55.615] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:51:56.447] Pëcas Bloodthirst Baleroc *42927*
[00:51:57.206] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:51:57.769] Pëcas Heroic Strike Baleroc *29286*
[00:51:58.082] Pëcas Slam Baleroc *36490*
[00:51:58.470] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:51:58.876] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:51:59.750] Pëcas Bloodthirst Baleroc *42927*
[00:52:00.213] Pëcas crits Baleroc *27803*
[00:52:00.482] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:01.264] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:02.083] Pëcas crits Baleroc *25963*
[00:52:02.916] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:03.352] Pëcas Heroic Strike Baleroc *29286*
[00:52:04.180] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:04.569] Pëcas Slam Baleroc *38713*
[00:52:05.349] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:07.995] Pëcas crits Baleroc *35933*
[00:52:08.266] Pëcas Heroic Strike Baleroc *34623*
[00:52:09.020] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:09.020] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:09.845] Pëcas Fiery Attack Baleroc *17931*
[00:52:10.642] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:10.700] Pëcas Bloodthirst Baleroc *50743*
[00:52:11.012] Pëcas crits Baleroc *20042*
[00:52:11.449] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:11.871] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:11.964] Pëcas crits Baleroc *31783*
[00:52:11.964] Pëcas Heroic Strike Baleroc *34623*
[00:52:12.684] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:13.088] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:16.849] Pëcas Heroic Strike Baleroc *23724*
[00:52:17.581] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:20.060] Pëcas Slam Baleroc *31387*
[00:52:20.797] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:21.108] Pëcas crits Baleroc *11537*
[00:52:22.010] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:23.957] Pëcas crits Baleroc *19446*
[00:52:24.857] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:25.426] Pëcas Heroic Strike Baleroc *18762*
[00:52:26.113] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:28.173] Pëcas Bloodthirst Baleroc *40129*
[00:52:28.972] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:29.531] Pëcas Heroic Strike Baleroc *31002*
[00:52:30.200] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:31.241] Pëcas crits Baleroc *20434*
[00:52:31.705] Pëcas crits Baleroc *30702*
[00:52:32.244] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:32.608] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:33.076] Pëcas Heroic Strike Baleroc *22548*
[00:52:33.143] Pëcas crits Baleroc *12714*
[00:52:33.835] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:34.282] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:40.847] Pëcas's Deep Wounds fades from
[00:52:41.635] Pëcas crits Baleroc *21872*
[00:52:42.781] Baleroc afflicted by Deep Wounds from Pëcas
[00:52:43.372] Pëcas Raging Blow Baleroc *23835*
[00:52:43.372] Pëcas Raging Blow Off-Hand Baleroc
[00:52:43.990] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:44.916] Pëcas Bloodthirst Baleroc *34961*
[00:52:45.616] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:49.833] Pëcas Heroic Strike Baleroc *23174*
[00:52:50.545] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:53.820] Pëcas Heroic Strike Baleroc *31969*
[00:52:54.599] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:56.923] Pëcas crits Baleroc *27830*
[00:52:57.836] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:57.911] Pëcas Bloodthirst Baleroc *51023*
[00:52:58.663] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:52:59.513] Pëcas crits Baleroc *22508*
[00:52:59.684] Pëcas Raging Blow Off-Hand Baleroc
[00:53:00.326] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:53:00.669] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas
[00:53:06.759] Pëcas's Deep Wounds fades from
[00:53:06.925] Pëcas crits Baleroc *13328*
[00:53:08.015] Baleroc afflicted by Deep Wounds from Pëcas
[00:53:08.015] Pëcas Fiery Attack Baleroc *20051*
[00:53:08.889] Baleroc's Deep Wounds is refreshed by Pëcas

[Ildurnest]

Crit munching is destroying my dear dear Deep Wounds =(
Had hope it was something I could get better at, but RNG can't really be mastered.

Thanks for the help, will keep a keen eye on that.

---------- Post added 2011-09-26 at 10:05 PM ----------

It's definitely crit munching.
Been trying to de-synch the white swings, and that alone has risen the Deep Wounds numbers to much normal results.