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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvencus View Post
    I remember Slippy posting this somewhere but I can't find it >.<

    What is the RPPM for UVLS for Boomkin and Normalx2Upgrade (ilvl530) (the final RPPM because I suck at math :<) ?
    It's base 0.5 RPPM, but with the 0.65 boomkin modifier it's 0.325. Then you need to multiply by the haste scaling factor, and for the ilvl increase. In your case, that would be 1.15^(2/15), where 2 represents the number of ilvls above 528. And the caster trinkets got a 5% increase at some point too.

    So you'd get a formula of RPPM = 0.325*1.05*hastemod*1.15^(2/15).

    It's almost 1am in the morning so I might have made a mistake somewhere haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slippykins View Post
    It's base 0.5 RPPM, but with the 0.65 boomkin modifier it's 0.325. Then you need to multiply by the haste scaling factor, and for the ilvl increase. In your case, that would be 1.15^(2/15), where 2 represents the number of ilvls above 528. And the caster trinkets got a 5% increase at some point too.

    So you'd get a formula of RPPM = 0.325*1.05*hastemod*1.15^(2/15).

    It's almost 1am in the morning so I might have made a mistake somewhere haha.
    I need it for this addon : Extra CD so a base haste (use 10300 for example) should be enough to get an estimate chance to proc or recharge before pull.

    Should I just add my haste in place of hastemod and multiply? Is it rating or from my haste %?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvencus View Post
    I need it for this addon : Extra CD so a base haste (use 10300 for example) should be enough to get an estimate chance to proc or recharge before pull.

    Should I just add my haste in place of hastemod and multiply? Is it rating or from my haste %?
    It's the percentage, though looking at RPPM procs on the PTR, it doesn't scale with everything. (e.g. the cloak doesn't proc any more often when the meta procs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvencus View Post
    I need it for this addon : Extra CD so a base haste (use 10300 for example) should be enough to get an estimate chance to proc or recharge before pull.

    Should I just add my haste in place of hastemod and multiply? Is it rating or from my haste %?
    As Huth said, it's just (1+haste%) and includes NG/boomkin aura. For example, on my WrathCalcs it says the hastemod is equal to 1.72.

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    Really appreciate the help guys

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    Have you guys set up a BiS list for next tier yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suplift View Post
    Have you guys set up a BiS list for next tier yet?
    Not yet, gear isn't in WrathCalcs nor SimCraft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slippykins View Post
    Not yet, gear isn't in WrathCalcs nor SimCraft.
    Ahh ok, can i have a link to the updated version of WrathCalcs

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    Atleast the gear has been implemented and im pretty sure its finalized so shouldnt take that long to get it in WrathCalcs
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    Nothing is final until it's on live. And sometimes, not even then.

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    So, continuing from my last post (top of page), I scrapped the addon cause it would bug out and found some weakauras from here :
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post21339273

    I took the auras and adjusted them to my own ilvl trinkets:

    BotH ilvl 530 (N+2)
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    Cha-Ye's ilvl 530 (N+2)
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    My problem is with UVLS (again >.<) because I adjusted the formula since the WAs come from a Warlock thread and they naturally have higher proc rates.
    In the Display Tab, opening the Text Editor, I changed the original formula into 0.5 * 0.65 * 1/(1.15^((528-itemLevel)/15));
    Obviously I did something wrong because the trinket needs around 12min to reach 100%.

    0.65 is the Balance modified for UVLS but I'm not exactly sure that's where it's supposed to go. What about the hastemod?

    Can some of you awesome math guys have a look and enlighten me?
    Last edited by Juvencus; 2013-08-05 at 02:07 PM.

  12. #1052
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    Hi mmo-c, Not sure about which trinket to pick between

    http://www.wowhead.com/item=86907 (LFR Essence of Terror)
    or
    http://www.wowhead.com/item=86792 (LFR Light of the Cosmos) ?

    Here's my armory:
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...redit/advanced

    Thanks in advance!
    Last edited by Chaosturn; 2013-08-07 at 01:29 PM.

  13. #1053
    Light of the Cosmos hands down

  14. #1054
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvencus View Post
    Light of the Cosmos hands down
    Thanks, suspected it would be the winner

    Also: How far into a starfire/wrath cast is it worth, if at all, to cancel it for a starsurge proc? I've had shooting stars procs getting overwritten and gone to waste while casting Starfire, seems like a good idea to cancel to me, but I wanted to ask more experienced lazer chickens
    Last edited by Chaosturn; 2013-08-07 at 08:06 PM.

  15. #1055
    Pretty much never. The combination of latency and human reaction time is already longer than the time you have to cancel them.

  16. #1056
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Pretty much never. The combination of latency and human reaction time is already longer than the time you have to cancel them.
    Strongly disagree, but it' obviously going to depend on the scenario and be partially opinion based.

  17. #1057
    For the cancelling -> SS procs, I've heard .5-.7 seconds for Starfire. It really depends, like Fountaiin said, on the amount of DoTs you have rolling, whether or not Heroism/BL, LMG and/or Nature's Grace is up - as they all increase the amount of procs on average. And, of course, your gear -> crit chance.
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    Tbh I did try the cancelling but I don't think with my latency it makes sense. It's not even that it's big but unstable and I happen to get +200ms on a cast (according to Quartz). I gave up on cancelling casts due to that.

  19. #1059
    Quote Originally Posted by Fountaiin View Post
    Strongly disagree, but it' obviously going to depend on the scenario and be partially opinion based.
    No, opinion plays no role in it. Only math. And math says "no". The timeframe is so short that you cannot interrupt your spells in time for it to be a DPS gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    No, opinion plays no role in it. Only math. And math says "no". The timeframe is so short that you cannot interrupt your spells in time for it to be a DPS gain.
    But scenarios do matter. For example +3-4 multidotting or UVLS or UVLS multidotting

    Also can I have someone please check the math/formulas in my WA from above?

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