i am really lost about gemming as prot.

[almalexia]

i have read the guide and its not saying what our default gem to stack should be if we arent needing a specific colour for the meta. is it the 20 mastery + 30 stam gem?

[Deleted]

Nope, its the 40 mastery gem until full CTC ->102.4(6?)% avoidance+block.

From EJ:

Our goal is 100% combat table coverage (CTC), meaning that every boss swing is a block, parry, dodge, or miss. The best way to accomplish this is to stack Mastery as high as possible. Even if you can’t reach 100% CTC, Mastery gives you the best bang for your buck in damage reduction.
- [Fractured Amberjewel], [Puissant Dream Emerald], and [Fine Ember Topaz] are our preferred gems.
- [Eternal Shadowspirit Diamond] is the strongest meta.

[almalexia]

great, thanks!

another question, if the a piece of gear has dodge and parry as its stats, do you reforge one to mastery or leave it the way it is? and if you do reforge, which do you reforge to mastery?

[-Cynical-]

Reforge the higher of the two to Mastery.

So if you have 18% Parry and 15% Dodge, Reforge Parry to Mastery.

[Deleted]

You want your dodge and parry stats as close to one another as possible so if you have 15% dodge and 19% parry you reforge all parry to mastery or dodge, UNLESS an item has say 50 parry and 200 dodge, in that case you reforge the dodge to mastery as you get a lot more bang for you buck from the mastery.

http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/forum/ <-- go here and read the basic training stickies they will give you a very good understanding of what you should be doing. The people there are also very helpful.

[almalexia]

tyvm guys.

[Zephire]

I've heard you would want to have about equal parry and dodge to counter Diminishing Return, is this true?

About gemming, I just aim for Mastery and gemm so I get the sockebonuses because I like it, I'm abit against min/max yes, but I can see why you'd want to do min/maxing.

[-Cynical-]

I've heard you would want to have about equal parry and dodge to counter Diminishing Return, is this true?

About gemming, I just aim for Mastery and gemm so I get the sockebonuses because I like it, I'm abit against min/max yes, but I can see why you'd want to do min/maxing.

Yes

It's best to match Socket Bonuses imo.

-- This is how I gem, http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...nical/advanced (I recently stopped raiding on my Prot Paladin)

[Chronnos]

Nope, its the 40 mastery gem until full CTC ->102.4(6?)% avoidance+block.

That won't help you if you don't have the hp to survive a big hit. Like Crackle + Flame breath used to be on Nef. So it's actually 60 stam gems till you have the hp needed not to get one shot by boss abilities which cannot be mitigated by avoidance. Then you can start gemming for mastery.

[Deleted]

That won't help you if you don't have the hp to survive a big hit. Like Crackle + Flame breath used to be on Nef. So it's actually 60 stam gems till you have the hp needed not to get one shot by boss abilities which cannot be mitigated by avoidance. Then you can start gemming for mastery.

I'd advise you to use 30 stam / 20 mastery gems in blue slots rather than 60 stam gems.
If the rest of your gear doesn't give you enough hp to survive certain abilities without gemming pure stam, then perhaps you're just undergeared for said encounter?

[Nillo]

Reforge the higher of the two to Mastery.

So if you have 18% Parry and 15% Dodge, Reforge Parry to Mastery.

Only part of the truth - the thing you need to look at is parry vs dodge rating - not the percentage.

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That won't help you if you don't have the hp to survive a big hit. Like Crackle + Flame breath used to be on Nef. So it's actually 60 stam gems till you have the hp needed not to get one shot by boss abilities which cannot be mitigated by avoidance. Then you can start gemming for mastery.

Or you could instead go for CTC cap as soon as possible to increase your EH by an amount stamina gemming can never give you.

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-- This is how I gem, http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...nical/advanced (I recently stopped raiding on my Prot Paladin)

Random mix of gems with no visible goal and you seem to be overcapped on mastery as well (102.8 unbuffed if I added it up correctly).
Just please don't link armories in a thread where someone asks for gem advice when you've got like 10 types of gems used....

[Splosion]

Only part of the truth - the thing you need to look at is parry vs dodge rating - not the percentage.

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Or you could instead go for CTC cap as soon as possible to increase your EH by an amount stamina gemming can never give you.

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Random mix of gems with no visible goal and you seem to be overcapped on mastery as well (102.8 unbuffed if I added it up correctly).
Just please don't link armories in a thread where someone asks for gem advice when you've got like 10 types of gems used....

Whilst that player may have a "random" gemming scheme, it is usually a better idea to match socket bonuses with a heavy mastery approach. That being parry/mastery in red, mastery/stam in blue and mastery in yellow. Simply because you'll net slightly more out of it. in 378s unless you go really Wrong it isn't that hard to cap CTC.

As for dodge/parry ratings, you'll want your dodge rating to be around 200 higher than your parry rating. this is because you gain around that much from raid buffs.

@OP, it's entirely dependant on gear. I've been CTC capped for a while, and recent upgrades (Uncrushable belt heroic, lolmastery) have allowed me to drop gems for more stamina, which gives healers more of a buffer on most encounters.

[Deleted]

First of I would say hi to every1 since its my first post.

OT: I would like to suggest you go for full CTC even from start (still matching a socket bonus). Gear will give you enough stamina to eat boss hits in FL so you shouldn't worry.
I suggest gemming something like this (cannot post links yet so add .) eu battle net/wow/en/character/kul-tiras/Yaren/advanced

Edit: Go to EJ forums it helped me long time ago and should help you.

[Velanis]

Only part of the truth - the thing you need to look at is parry vs dodge rating - not the percentage.

---------- Post added 2011-10-06 at 10:47 AM ----------


Or you could instead go for CTC cap as soon as possible to increase your EH by an amount stamina gemming can never give you.

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Random mix of gems with no visible goal and you seem to be overcapped on mastery as well (102.8 unbuffed if I added it up correctly).
Just please don't link armories in a thread where someone asks for gem advice when you've got like 10 types of gems used....

He/she is using 4 types of gems ( you're using 3 in yours, too many rite? ). He/she is giving valid advice and is slightly overcapped ( which is better than being slightly under the cap ).

Just please don't post in threads if you only plan to poorly troll them.

OT: Parry/mastery in red, stam/mastery in blue+yellow ( depending on gear obv. ) and pure mastery in yellow until you cap.

http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t123600-...ames/#Survival -- for outside MMO-Champ reading >:

[Deleted]

He/she is giving valid advice and is slightly overcapped ( which is better than being slightly under the cap ).

I'm undercapped (on purpose cos I get it with standard feast). Still you should count food buff (90 dodge or mastery) and you can use strength flask instead of stamina one that will give you some parry.

OT: Parry/mastery in red, stam/mastery in blue+yellow ( depending on gear obv. ) and pure mastery in yellow until you cap.

I still think pure mastery in yellow is better choice than stam/mastery. Paladins have very good CD's he can rotate them easly + if he will get 4p bonus it allows for nice rotation between HS and DP + Parry.

[Deleted]

I still think pure mastery in yellow is better choice than stam/mastery. Paladins have very good CD's he can rotate them easly + if he will get 4p bonus it allows for nice rotation between HS and DP + Parry.

Im with you, capping ctc as pala is ridiclously easy, try doing it on a warrior ;P

As said before, i would go:
Blue: 20/30 mastery/stamina (pussiant dream emerald)
Red: 20/20 mastery/parry (fine ember topaz)
Yellow/prismatic: 40 mastery (fractured amberjewel)

Once you start overcapping ctc, start with replacing 20/20 with 20/30 parry/stamina, then pure staminas.

A bit off topic, doesn't the 4pc suck for paladins ? (Got a prot pala alt, so havent bothered studyin like i do on ma warrior:P)

[noteworthynerd]

A bit off topic, doesn't the 4pc suck for paladins ? (Got a prot pala alt, so havent bothered studyin like i do on ma warrior:P)

It is subjective, in some situations the 4pc is really good, but in others, it is meh at best. For example, I use it on Ragnaros because I'm the OT and DP + the 4pc lasts nearly the entire time I have to tank him while waiting for the MTs stacks to drop off.

OT: Like others have said, you should gem for Mastery until you are CTC, and then you can start gemming for other stats (my Paladin's armory is linked in my sig if you'd like to see what I mean). Note: I'm a little over CTC atm, I just got the sword Tuesday and I haven't adjusted things appropriately.

[Nillo]

He/she is using 4 types of gems ( you're using 3 in yours, too many rite? ). He/she is giving valid advice and is slightly overcapped ( which is better than being slightly under the cap ).
http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t123600-...ames/#Survival

It's 5 types of gems (yellow, blue, green, orange, purple) and this is just 2 more than what you'll have from following 1 gemming route (either yellow + green + orange or green + blue + purple). Besides I may be using 1 odd gem in my shoulders, but I'm not telling people who ask for advice "hey look at my gemming it's cool" when there's actually nothing to look at.
If you want to link a page for paladin tanks at least link http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.c...hp?f=3&t=29733

[Splosion]

It's 5 types of gems (yellow, blue, green, orange, purple) and this is just 2 more than what you'll have from following 1 gemming route (either yellow + green + orange or green + blue + purple). Besides I may be using 1 odd gem in my shoulders, but I'm not telling people who ask for advice "hey look at my gemming it's cool" when there's actually nothing to look at.
If you want to link a page for paladin tanks at least link http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.c...hp?f=3&t=29733

It's true, if you're going one route at least go that route, rather than half/half.

Digren does some really good work, I'd suggest everyone reading this.

[Manstallion]

That won't help you if you don't have the hp to survive a big hit. Like Crackle + Flame breath used to be on Nef. So it's actually 60 stam gems till you have the hp needed not to get one shot by boss abilities which cannot be mitigated by avoidance. Then you can start gemming for mastery.

Say you replace 5 Stam/Mastery gems with pure stam gems. That gives you an extra 150 stam. After buffs this gives you less than 2000 extra health. If 2000 health is really the difference between you living and dying, there's another issue going on. Full CTC is by far the best way to go.