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    As I recall..... they delayed BD for so many months for a reason; that being that it was not up to par with what AMD wanted it to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Yeah but the 2500K/2600K dominate the Phenom IIs in overclocking potential... and then of course they make the difference that much bigger.
    Which is actually quite useless when you have a GPU bottleneck. Im not saying overclocking is bad or stupid or w/e. But when looking at that graph, knowing there is a gpu bottleneck, seems pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Yeah but the 2500K/2600K dominate the Phenom IIs in overclocking potential... and then of course they make the difference that much bigger.
    Technically not since Sandy's are locked at 63?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    As I recall..... they delayed BD for so many months for a reason; that being that it was not up to par with what AMD wanted it to be.
    Which was sort of my point. If you're basing your ideas on BD's performance on leaked tests and then AMD delays release because it's not up to par, then you can't rely too much on said tests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephiracle View Post
    Technically not since Sandy's are locked at 63?

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    Which was sort of my point. If you're basing your ideas on BD's performance on leaked tests and then AMD delays release because it's not up to par, then you can't rely too much on said tests.
    Note: I'm on your side, more or less. ;p

    Phenom II's are locked somewhere in the 60s Celsius, so unless they have some ridiculous cooling... they can't OC much simply due to temperature shut downs. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephiracle View Post
    I think you both are ignoring the bulk of my posts and picking what you want out of it to argue about. That's about all I leave it at, if you guys want to continue the 'get in the last word' battle continue on.
    I think you somehow assume we read all of your posts... I certainly didn't.

    And honestly it seems like you are the one trying to get the last word.. considering you didn't stop posting after you wrote the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephiracle View Post
    Technically not since Sandy's are locked at 63?
    Originally it was 57 (are we talking multiplier here, btw?) but I think newer batches pushed the limit. Doesn't matter much as in theory and with LCS/air you won't set your multi to 57. The same with Phenom II BE's, if they have absolutely no limit, they will still get limited by heat or voltage at some point. I don't know about dominating but the overclocking headroom on a Sandy K is pretty darn great in most cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Note: I'm on your side, more or less. ;p

    Phenom II's are locked somewhere in the 60s Celsius, so unless they have some ridiculous cooling... they can't OC much simply due to temperature shut downs. lol.
    I know, just saying that 'potentially' Phenoms will clock better than Sandy's, Sandys are locked on the multiplier and you can't really jack with the BCLK. I'm just being nitpicky with your terminology, I get what you mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maklor View Post
    I think you somehow assume we read all of your posts... I certainly didn't.

    And honestly it seems like you are the one trying to get the last word.. considering you didn't stop posting after you wrote the above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephiracle View Post
    I know, just saying that 'potentially' Phenoms will clock better than Sandy's, Sandys are locked on the multiplier and you can't really jack with the BCLK. I'm just being nitpicky with your terminology, I get what you mean.
    then quit it gahhhhh!! >_< You own a Sandy too! You know how murderous they are! :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Sephiracle is my babe. Of course the obvious blood elf girl wants to talk around the big male night elf... DUHHHH.
    People don't play male belfs do they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephiracle View Post
    People don't play male belfs do they?
    Avatars can speak novels about someone. ;P

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Avatars can speak novels about someone. ;P
    Eh, best looking toon :P, ok, no more OT, I don't need another infraction. lulz
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    It's being blamed on the operating system now. The processor is capable of using instruction sets and variables that don't even exist in current operating systems, i.e. Windows 7 (and therefore all apps/games/benches on Win 7) is essentially bottlenecking the FX chips - atleast that's what I've read.
    Designing a CPU that nothing can make use of yet, now that's futureproofing. Wait, how did they even do that? o_O

    It's in AMD's best interests to work VERY closely with Microsoft to help resolve performance issues - who knows, maybe with a framework patch we could see a ginormous boost? Or maybe we'll have to wait for Win 8? Staying positive here >_< it's partially thanks to AMD's competition that Intel came up with the monster that is Sandy Bridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuvial View Post
    It's being blamed on the operating system now. The processor is capable of using instruction sets and variables that don't even exist in current operating systems, i.e. Windows 7 (and therefore all apps/games/benches on Win 7) is essentially bottlenecking the FX chips - atleast that's what I've read.
    Designing a CPU that nothing can make use of yet, now that's futureproofing. Wait, how did they even do that? o_O

    It's in AMD's best interests to work VERY closely with Microsoft to help resolve performance issues - who knows, maybe with a framework patch we could see a ginormous boost? Or maybe we'll have to wait for Win 8? Staying positive here >_< it's partially thanks to AMD's competition that Intel came up with the monster that is Sandy Bridge.
    That's really bothersome, especially how if AMD prefers to excel in the workstation market rather than the PC/Gaming market then they should understand that companies don't exactly upgrade OS' on a constant basis. Hell, I work for a pretty large corporation and we're using XP still. >_>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephiracle View Post
    That's really bothersome, especially how if AMD prefers to excel in the workstation market rather than the PC/Gaming market then they should understand that companies don't exactly upgrade OS' on a constant basis. Hell, I work for a pretty large corporation and we're using XP still. >_>
    yeah my college has a ton of Windows XP wielding computers. =S

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Search "FX 8150" on newegg... the 2 results come back as "out of stock."

    -.-
    You do realize that AMD didn't produce a whole lot of these the first batch. Remember they had manufacturing problems, the FX chips we are getting are the only ones that were worth selling.

    Not to mention, I'm sure some folding@home farms would love to test out this chip with -bigadv. It may be a shoddy implementation of 8 "cores", but with how saturated an i7 would get, BD might show an advantage with 8 heavy threads over an i7 ramming two heavy threads down one pipe.

    Power consumption really is only ludicrous when the chip is overclocked too, keep in mind. Llano is made on the same process, and those sip power more or less. Clock an FX down to Llano clock levels, give it folding work, and it should be alright for that. Note that this is my speculation, and entirely a niche application. Trying to justify it being out of stock so fast rather than it being good (it sort of isnt right now).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asera View Post
    Not to mention, I'm sure some folding@home farms would love to test out this chip with -bigadv.

    Power consumption really is only ludicrous when the chip is overclocked too, keep in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asera View Post
    You do realize that AMD didn't produce a whole lot of these the first batch. Remember they had manufacturing problems, the FX chips we are getting are the only ones that were worth selling.

    Not to mention, I'm sure some folding@home farms would love to test out this chip with -bigadv. It may be a shoddy implementation of 8 "cores", but with how saturated an i7 would get, BD might show an advantage with 8 heavy threads over an i7 ramming two heavy threads down one pipe.

    Power consumption really is only ludicrous when the chip is overclocked too, keep in mind. Llano is made on the same process, and those sip power more or less. Clock an FX down to Llano clock levels, give it folding work, and it should be alright for that. Note that this is my speculation, and entirely a niche application. Trying to justify it being out of stock so fast rather than it being good (it sort of isnt right now).
    You should totally have your office or company or whatever get an FX-8150 computer and you should have it fold so we can find out how it does! :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    You should totally have your office or company or whatever get an FX-8150 computer and you should have it fold so we can find out how it does! :P
    I'm pretty much the only person in this office that knows what a CPU is in the first place.

    Everyone here says CPU and is referring to everything within the chassis, plus the chassis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asera View Post
    I'm pretty much the only person in this office that knows what a CPU is in the first place.

    Everyone here says CPU and is referring to everything within the chassis, plus the chassis.
    Computer Power Unit!!!

    You should still find out. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephiracle View Post
    Hell, I work for a pretty large corporation and we're using XP still. >_>
    Oh heck yeah, I'd say the majority of the world's IT corporations are still running XP workstations. Here at Telecom NZ all workstations are XP, while almost all the servers have been migrated from 2003 to 2008 - as long as the server backbone remains updated and secure, the workstations will continue to run happily until Microsoft terminate XP support in 2014 (or was it 2016?).
    The combined cost of re-licensing for Win 7, training staff/engineers, building up support and getting everything fully compatible etc is simply not worth it.
    Also all the machines here are E8400's + 2gb RAM...Win 7 wouldn't exactly help performance.
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