Ret

[DerpMaster]

current ret just does not feel like the holy crusader it should be? anyone agree? they need spells that are class defining other then bubble. look at d2 paladin and then look at wow paladin

[Manstallion]

current ret just does not feel like the holy crusader it should be? anyone agree? they need spells that are class defining other then bubble. look at d2 paladin and then look at wow paladin

The Diablo 2 paladin is pretty lame in my opinion. If you want a true paladin look at the Warcraft 3 paladin. Meaningful auras, a mass res, distinct visual style. Things that set it apart from the other plate classes. I'd love to see a return to the classic paladin.

[DemaioJ]

Of course, if you look at the w3 paladin you may notice the unit was totally useless.

[Soisoisoi]

Needs more Divine, Justice and Light!

[Sett]

Diablo 2 paladins are quite different then the paladins we have in WoW. From their origins and practices. The idea of the holy crusader is our backbone, true. But WoW takes a step from that with our Blood Knights, Sunwalkers, etc etc. I do agree we could use more ground-breaking spells though.

[zcks]

The closest ret has ever really felt like a zealous crusader was during wrath & even then it had balance & rotation problems.

The sad thing is that these problems are potentially easily fixed but never are due to the design team being severely restricted in how much time they are given to work with and the fact that they are not allowed to change much from the "original vision" of what the class & it's specs should be.


In the end if you want to feel like a real offensive ret paladin you may be better off going to GW2 because arena net has a much better track record with hybrids then blizzard does in wow. Which it should because they split off from blizzard due to "differences in design philosophy" when it comes to adapting how hybrid classes should be over time.
(They were basically much more willing to rethink design concepts & balancing mechanisms then GC & his management team).

[Malakynn]

I wish pallies had more holy based weapon enchants, that were specific to them, similar to DK's.

[Kenjji]

Spell and ability wise paladins are pretty much what i expect them to be, just some mechanics being a bit clunky and badly designed but overall I really felt like I was playing a paladin.

[BloodGutter]

our mastery makes us do additional holy damage, our exorcism autocrits against undead and demons. holy wrath stuns them. fear evil is sweet in pvp.
oh and our lvl 85 spell is a badass angel that helps us kicks ass.

could they add more? probably, but i think it's fine.

[Deleted]

How would you guys feel if the auras were made as a permanent visual? I'd wish for that tbh, like in DotA. When you activate diffrent auras it makes a visual, and i wish for that visual to always be showing And possibly make aura dancing a requirement for the best preformance, making them matter, a bit like stances or prescences, but not limitations on abilities.

[jeffersonian000]

I had the most fun as Ret in Wrath. Ending every fight with topped off health and mana, able to solo up to three lvl83 elites at the same time while at lvl80. Able to off-tank in a pinch. Able to off-heal, if needed. That fun ended with Cata, although 4.0.1 was a literal "blast" as Ret. I remember running around Sindragosa with my Exorcism on continuos proc, blasting away at her at range, doing 18k dps just from that.

Oh well. 4.3 has been fun so far on the PTR as Ret. Maybe there will be hope again.

SJ

[zcks]

I had the most fun as Ret in Wrath. Ending every fight with topped off health and mana, able to solo up to three lvl83 elites at the same time while at lvl80. Able to off-tank in a pinch. Able to off-heal, if needed. That fun ended with Cata, although 4.0.1 was a literal "blast" as Ret. I remember running around Sindragosa with my Exorcism on continuos proc, blasting away at her at range, doing 18k dps just from that.

Oh well. 4.3 has been fun so far on the PTR as Ret. Maybe there will be hope again.

SJ

Cant tell if your trolling or serious.

While it is true that ret was broken balance wise in wrath it was definitely the best the spec has ever been as far as how in control the player was of what they could do dps/healing/survivability wise.

Really the problems that come up time & time again with balance & play style enjoyability are due to the management at blizzard simply not giving the designers the time they need & refusing to let them implement balancing mechanisms they have admitted to everyone are a necessity.

If that ^ would simply change then there ret would be in a very good spot design, balance & performance wise. Who knows it could happen finally in MOP & hopefully having competition from other companies like bioware, arenanet etc... will cause them to really work hard on it instead of rushing crap though half finished/untested like they did the last 2 expansions (wont even count TBC cause they never intended to ret to be viable at all there).

[Deleted]

Played ret during Wotlk, it was just amazingly fun season 5 season 6 beeing overpowered. Yeah beeing OP is fun ;-)

[silverhatred]

You guys are ridiculous. You are literally asking to be the easiest class to dps with in the game again. I wouldn't be able to stand playing one knowing how faceroll it was.

[Fredzilla]

You guys are ridiculous. You are literally asking to be the easiest class to dps with in the game again. I wouldn't be able to stand playing one knowing how faceroll it was.

My hunter friend could macro everything to one button in icc and still dps competitively.

[zcks]

My hunter friend could macro everything to one button in icc and still dps competitively.

When it comes down to it no spec (aside from healers & tanks) is all that demanding attention wise, especially since cataclysm.


What I find especially funny & sad at the same time is that arms, fury & mutilate specs play almost exactly like ret did in wrath except they don't need to worry about watching allies health to occasionally toss out heals or hand spells yet blizzard said that play style was broken.


In the end wrath play style for some hunter specs, wrath ret, & cataclysm arms/fury all are very easy given how much DPS they are/were capable of. It would be nice if blizzard could find an enjoyable way to increase their complexity however without making them completely RNG & CD reliant like ret is currently.

[Sivick]

i think ret hit it's peak during WotLK. for one glorious expansion we were awesome, then bam! Blizz suddenly remembered it hates pallies and mucked with us. they messed with pallys so much that they even took away the bubblehearth (an iconic tactic that has been around since vanilla). the current pally just doesn't feel... well it just doesn't feel like a ret pally yet. holy power and lame animations. they should give the ret class some legitimate holy warrior effects. when i smash someone with my hammer i want them to burst into flames! holy light and friggin angels should be swiriling around me as I unleash my most powerful attacks. you know, something like that. make the class feel EPIC, not just as an afterthought of a hybrid class.