Wolfie Pandaren Shaman - Pet Collection - Mount Collection
Pinfire Dwarf Hunter - SaintJoan Draenei Paladin - Sadiefalk Human Rogue - Hamartanein Dwarf Warlock
Lotusdream Pandaren Monk - Aponyia Tauren Shaman
You just want to be a personal charm of extra loot for others. That would lead to exploits and bad behavior as it happens today with ppl needing to trade/sell.
The rogues who got gold, got it for helping the boss and ease their repairs. When you don't get a drop from the boss it's like you're a DK and the boss dropped spelldps cloth.
Nothing else, ppl are just trying to do some gain over things that never existed in the 1st place just because the new system could allow it to happen now. "oh, now I always have a shot at a drop for each boss and not ninja others? WHY CAN'T I SELL MY ROLLS?!?!? THIS SYSTEM SUCKS HARD!", the way you guys want it to be, every single DK DPS would be a valuable source of plate dps drop to exploit the system to gear other plate dpsers with a good 50% chance for each boss. Remember, there is no chance of dropping 4 spellcaster cloth drops that only half (or lower) the raid could roll on it. You're basically guaranted a stupid high chance of dropping every kind of loot from each boss, all kinds of plate, leather, mail, cloth and weapons since there will be 25 players + charms.
They would be really lame to allow players to exploit that kind of loot system.
Wow, I really don't like what they're doing with Valor. Just an iLvl upgrade? Pretty stupid, imo.
No, you will roll against one other. You roll against the system, if you get more than x number,. you get loot, independent of what other people roll.
They said your roll will be independent of the rest of the raid.
Thta's why they say people might still get mad but they will be mad at probability and not the rest of the raid.
You're getting really complicated there - the worst outcome with the system GC is proposing above is you get a piece of loot you all ready have, and you vendor or shard it.
Also, again, you're ont rolling for Loot - you just roll for the chance at loot. What you get is a separate roll.
Wolfie Pandaren Shaman - Pet Collection - Mount Collection
Pinfire Dwarf Hunter - SaintJoan Draenei Paladin - Sadiefalk Human Rogue - Hamartanein Dwarf Warlock
Lotusdream Pandaren Monk - Aponyia Tauren Shaman
1. No, they never have gone back and added Hyjal Rep items higher than 359. But they did add a new rep system ( MF) that gave new epic items and craftable epics, and they added quests (thralls love story) and also the new dungeon quests that added higher ilevel epics. This will definitely continue in MoP because they are well aware one of the biggest complaints about cata was the lack of things to do in the outside world. They will probably be adding reputations with each patch that will grant higher ilvl gear, probably more frequently than cata.
2. It really is the same. Instead of using valor to upgrade 6 items a full tier, you will use valor to upgrade all your items slightly below a full gear. Your total ilvl increase will be probably about the same, but you won´t have to worry about enchanting, gemming or morging your gear constantly.
So...GC said no offspec. Do we interpret that to mean there won't be tier tokens (similar to say...BH and VoA bosses)? Since...you can cash a token in for whatever spec you want.
But everyone has the same autoroll each time. If I get loot doesn't relate to if you get loot. With the current system, more people rolling on something, less chance you have of getting it. Now it's independent of that - everyone rolls and everyone has the chance for something.
Wolfie Pandaren Shaman - Pet Collection - Mount Collection
Pinfire Dwarf Hunter - SaintJoan Draenei Paladin - Sadiefalk Human Rogue - Hamartanein Dwarf Warlock
Lotusdream Pandaren Monk - Aponyia Tauren Shaman
There is no loot system for LFR that will make people happy other than 'every time you kill a boss, you get loot, and its a piece you don't already have, unless you say you want transmog gear when you zone in to the instance and you can pass it to friends if you want to.'.I can only wonder why blizzard doesn't want to use that loot system.
I just hope they find a way to incorporate the need for OS item rolls, or I will be attending LFR in my OS without any gear to be useful in that spec.
Except that they alread mentioned something about never letting the entire raid leave with 0 drops. Plus, you'll always get gold. Ppl need to forget what is happening with others around him. If you don't get a drop, it's like you're a hunter and the boss dropped a paladin and dk tier token + 2 spellcaster cloth.
But the same way it will be really hard to get a full 25 item drop from a single boss, it will be equaly hard to get a 0 item.
I'm tired of doing LFR and not getting a single item from all the 8 bosses. Not winning a roll and the boss not even dropping my class/spec gear, doesn't matter... it will be the same now, I just don't have to care about what happened to the other 24 players, only what I can get beating the game roll. If I leave the raid with 0 drops, it will be the same thing as today when I get 0 drops.
Except my chances will be way higher in MoP and I'll even get extra gold.
Last edited by VanishO2; 2012-03-27 at 06:12 PM.
WOW! That new system sounds amazing to me!
I would like it so that I can give my loot to guildie or friend if I allready have the loot or dont need it, also I dont like the new valor system... it sounds stupid. I see their point with it though I dont like it. 'cant they just use the valor for trinkets, idols/relic, offhand, back and neck as the same ilvl as LFR or middle of that and normal and then you have to get everything else at all the other raids and then has it like now with ilvl PvE ? also put the PvP ilvl lower than PvE ilvl.Other than that I am fearly pleased
The way the current system works...you roll...I roll...high roll wins.
The new system...winning roll requires, for sake of arguement...75. You roll...I roll...we both roll higher than 75...we both win. One of us rolls higher than 75...that person wins. Neither of us rolls higher than 75...neither of us wins.
Your roll, and chance of winning, has nothing to do with mine.
The system is fine, but Blizz should do two things:
A) Add a button "I don't want something for free although it doesn't affect anyone else." That's for the people who want to pass. Oddly enough, this button exists already on the Need/Greed box and nobody uses it there either, maybe because you -can- ruin people's days there.
B) They should remind everyone: Loot is supposed to be random and having one item from a boss should not guarantee you the other next week.
I love how people are quoting parts of this, and asking questions that are answered later on in the post.
I will say i am looking forward to the new loot system and see it in progress.
Last edited by acinos; 2012-03-27 at 06:15 PM.