Last edited by Firecrest; 2013-03-11 at 11:15 PM.
Agreed. That and some of us have alts that we just are having fun playing around with, trying new things. We all start out somewhere. Reading isn't the same thing as doing.
When I que up for a dungeon on my raid geared toon, I just get through it. I dont care about the meters. As long as we are making progress, and not wiping, I could care less. I hope that when I que up on my barely geared toon, someone has that same mentality about me.
Besides - as long as people aren't wiping or afking. It really shouldn't be a big deal. Take a sip of that drink you prefer and relaaaxxxx.
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Haha, let's be honest with ourselves here. There's an overwhelming amount of players in this game today that have no idea what their rotation is supposed to be or give two shits. They don't care. The training dummies have been there for years, these players don't care. They haven't practiced on stationary targets let alone moving enemies. It's just not important to them.
Even if perfecting your rotation on a dummy in town was all that was required for perfection, we'd still have plenty of people who simply don't give a damn. Just the way it is.
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Learning to play a toon without meters is like trying to paint a house blindfolded. You could do it, but why?
As for your particular situation, that's just the typical lfr/dungeon heroes getting off on thinking they're better than someone.
Best not to take it to heart.
How can we see what players are doing without DPS meters ?
Peoples could simply rollface or spam the same touch all the time, no one could notice it, sry but if your DPS is that low ... well this kick is legit.
I don't mind people being bad too much. I just dislike people who are not active with pressing their buttons.
So many times I see players turning around their own axis. They must be looking at the view or something, I don't know. They're doing everything except contributing to the run.
Healers I have no beef with doing that as long as they heal when needed. Healing for the sake of (over)healing isn't required. And tbh let's not go there were healers also have dps abilities etc. Some healers get tunnelvision about their dps and neglect the actual task they were invited for.
So yes those people have low dps and low activity. And just auto-attacking isn't good either (probably shows in the activity list).
Last time I saw a paladin something with Hendrik (not his full name) in his name. He had a 0.02 activity on the boss before Algalon. At Algalon he "fell" through the floor. So I confronted him about it. He told me to sftu (I wasn't rude to him btw) because it was LFR and no one cared etc. And so on Emperors he just walked around between the 2 big mobs autoattacking. He was a healer though and the healers were struggling like crazy. In the end 60% had died during that fight, meanwhile mr holy paladin was running around doing absolutely nothing but throw a heal every now and again to make sure he didn't die. I am not a guy who asks for a kick from the LFR or something. All I did was confront him and got trashtalk in return.
The dps meters aren't the problem here it's douchbags, dps below 90 doesn't matter and they were just being dicks. Hell it was probably one person being a dick with everybody else blindly clicking yes on the vote to kick.
I got kicked from a dungeon once for being last on the dps meters... as a healer (while indeed healing too, no one died at all). People just don't notice what it says, they only see one dps bar is half of the other bars, so he's bad, so lets kick him. They must have wondered why finding a new dps took so long
Anyway, meters are useful. I played SWtOR for a while and dungeons were hell. We wiped a lot and had no way of telling why. Not enough dps? Not enough healing? Taking too much avoidable damage? No idea. Like banging your head to a wall and hoping it would break in the end. You just have to ignore the times you get kicked because someone doesn't understand how to use the meters.
Read the thread please (perhaps not all pages but atleast 4) so you wouldn't come up with this. It is actually the players who do badly. Examples in this thread are plenty. You cannot possibly want to be playing with people who are 89 and do worse dps then 2 expansions ago. You do not want to be in a party with people who are 89 and the rest 85/86 and do far less then them. Then there is something wrong with that player. And it even doesn't have a flying F to do with a rotation. It has everything to do with just not pressing any buttons.
activity is the key
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I think the shock was more to like: why am I not getting healed (if they continued right after kicking you). But yes those people were douchebags
You know what has contributed more to the toxic community than anything else? "Casuals". REAL casuals are players that don't have time to commit to the game. These are people who are still good players, would like to raid, but just aren't able to raid (or don't raid very often; maybe 1 or 2 days a week). They might do arenas, but they only do them for fun. "Casuals" are bad players who don't want to take the time to learn how to improve. They feel that because they pay $15/month, they are entitled to be carried through content. They don't feel that they need to improve, but that the community around them should improve to accommodate.
Yes, everyone was a noob at some point. Everyone sucked at every game at some point. The big difference is that some people sit down and try to be better. They actually made an effort (as small as it is) to become better. People like the OP and yourself, though, have such an inflated self worth that you think your time is not only more important than everyone else's (because you won't take the time to improve), but you're above learning something so simple as a priority queue or DPS rotation. "Casuals" tend to be some of the most entitled wankers in WOW.
You keep talking about improvement. The people in these kinds of threads that are whining about DPS meters aren't interested in improvement. They're interested in hiding from accountability.
I think they should definitely be banned in LFR/LFD, since there is absolutely nothing positive that they can contribute under those circumstances. If you need to know your own DPS there are addons that can do that for you without showing other people's.
But in actual real raiding I can definitely understand their necessity and usefulness so they should be allowed to be used in those kinds of environments.
Meters aren't the problem. Even without them, if your damage is terrible -- people are going to notice and kick you anyways.
I don't enjoy watching that i got lower dps than another hunter in my raid, but i use it to improve myself so it is good for me.
I see your problem tough. In the first hc i entered after dinging 90 7 days after launch i got told that my dps sucked. I explained that i just dinged and had only greens, he ignored me and contiuned fighting. They could atleast excuse themself for acting like an idiot.
How did this thread make it 19 pages?
Only on my 3rd 90 now, but the best way so far for each character has been to hit 90, queue for the Arena scenario and get your 450 weapon then knock out some scenarios in between instance runs. As a paladin, you're going to be somewhat screwed by getting 3 different specs of gears, unlike say a hunter or rogue who will get purely dps gear.
To be honest, gear generally isn't what holds people back; it's simply not knowing how to play their class, or not caring and wanting to coast on the efforts of others. I shouldn't be able to take a fresh 461 DK into the first two LFRs and place in the top 5 dps - but there I am. It can't be that everyone below is worse geared because we all have to make that minimum ilevel - it's more likely they either a) don't know how to play b) don't know how to install a rotation helper, c) don't care and are coastng. I'm pretty easy going, it's only a game, but when I'm out DPSing a warrior with Starshatter and the Sha axe while I have my upgraded 471 blue weapon - you can see where that guy or gal might need to get kicked to smarten them up.
There's enough hard feelings about jerks who use DPS as an excuse to kick decent players who just aren't overgeared for content to make one side speak up. There's enough people who have run with jerks who expect to be carried through content for rewards without putting even the minimum of effort forth to help the team (and in some cases aggressively refuse advice) that the other side has something to say.
Add to that, members of both sides tend to assume the other side is only saying that because they're the "jerk" that riled them up in the first place and... well... 19 pages.
Every Tuesday I do a couple heroics on my holy paladin, and unless I get a heroic geared DPS, I always top the meters on every pull, trash included.
And yes I use it to kick people with 429 ilvl, I had to grind my way up to 450, you should too; I'm not wiping due to your incompetence.
And I must've missed the part where he indicated he was a solid fellow, willing to learn. All I got from the OP's post is: "ban damage meters because I got kicked out of a group. " I don't know, maybe it's totally how he tells it, but I can also say in all my years of playing wow, on many many different alts I've never gotten kicked out of a dungeon group (other than if I got DCed and they didn't want to wait around which is totally fine). I'm not saying this to show how amazing I am, more like if you are at least adequate, at least mediocre, chances of you getting kicked are extremely low.
P.S. I should also mention that running recount in dungeons is often a way to tell me who is afking the entire run. Since heroics tend to go rather fast I am too busy doing my job and sometimes don't even notice someone putting another player on follow and just going afk for free valor. I kick those people immediately unless they excuse themselves beforehand and say they need to go afk. Yes, when I'm queuing by myself on my dps or with friends we CAN carry one afk person the entire run, but why should we? You don't have the time or don't want to put in even the minimal amount of effort into it, gtfo. If you're doing low dps but you're at least there and not causing extra problems, I'll carry, no big deal.
Last edited by Nanotech; 2013-03-12 at 07:20 PM.