Not all Forsaken follow her though, some have even started to rebel against her.
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I believe the latest Q.A also mentioned that Sylvanas is up to something big, which really can't be anything good. I believe she will go down the same boring way Illidan, Kael'thas and Lady Vashj went down, by becoming a boring boss villain.
Sure...the Alliance invaded....in response to the orc invasion. Context and reason. Important.
No. Illidan did that. She grouped them together and led them. She didn't free them.That "non-Lordaeron native" freed them from the Lick King
Is it really better to die cowering like a dog in a basement? How many of the Forsaken also "fled"...but were caught? Likely most.NO OF COURSE NOT! Because she is one of the aforementioned people that ran away. I can be magnanimous about it tho. If she comes back we can put it to a vote.
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This will never happen. Alliance wont get Lordaeron back, never.
It will never happen.
Princess Calia Menethil (Arthas' sister) is nowhere to be seen. She lost the rightful claim over her kingdom. Years have passed without any kind of serious attempt from the Alliance to retake Lordaeron, for the Menethil lineage. Perhaps they feel it is not worth it, I don't know.
Maybe she could rule in Lordaeron, over the minority of humans that perhaps still live scattered there, but I doubt her (now undead) subjects would accept her.
And also, because of Sylvanas.
Lore doesn't really matter here at all, the biggest hurdle this would have to clear is game mechanics and balance.
PEPE SILVA, PEPE SILVA
True enough i guess. Illidans attack did weaken the Lick King sufficiently for them to break free of his control. She did find them and unite then and lead them for victory against the Dreadlords and retook Lordaeron. So while technically Illidan did free them from the Lich King it was Sylvanas's actions who freed them from the Scourge.
In Wowpedia he seems to be one of the few good Forsaken existing
In the Arthas novel they also use Forsaken. Not that it really matters, because experimenting on anyone is wrong. But it shows just how much Sylvanas really cared for her people. Varian did not drive his people to poverty. It was the war against the Lich King that had that effect. So you would have to argue that fighting the Lich King was wrong. And the Night Elves did not twist nature in any way.
Yes the plague was meant to destroy the undead and the living alike. The plague is very different from normal weapons.
I hope it happens, and the forsaken/horde march on Stormwind.
Vanessa VanCleef is among the few humans who are not confused. She merely tries to make things right for all the people who were wronged by Wrynn's regime.
And wasn't it war against Lich King that made Forsaken invent such weapons? And I wonder why good guys are never to blame for anything wrong that happens under their responsibility, while everything wrong that happens north of Thandol Span is blamed on the vile evilness of the Forsaken and their despot Sylvanas. Also, you should've done vanilla quests in Darkshore and Teldrassil. Name me the reason why elves created it other than their desire to become immortal and why Nozdormu, Ysera and Alextrasza didn't bless it (Nozdormu still hasn't IIRC).
Bombs are used to destroy the undead and living alike. Swords are used to destroy the undead and living alike. I still don't see your point. The only difference I see is effectiveness, and jealousy in the eyes of enemies.Yes the plague was meant to destroy the undead and the living alike. The plague is very different from normal weapons.
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I don't think they'd re-use Lorderon as a capitol city, most likely Varian and many others would burn that city to a smoldering crater first, to make sure no traces of the undead remain. Following that they'd rebuild one of the other cities, maybe even put Dalaran back in its proper place and turn it into a full out city and have Jaina take command of northern Alliance territory. Then it'd be Kirin Tor vs Sunreavers.
Blizzard on the other hand would NEVER do this, despite the fact that they could easily write it off, I mean most of the Blood Elf territory is under Undead control as is, as is the Plaguelands. The Forsaken could easily transition over to Eastern Plaguelands to solidify their position on that side, as well as be closer to Silvermoon. New Forsaken then start in Eastern Plaguelands, move to Ghostlands, and then both parties move to Silverpine, then Southshore, then Western Plaguelands. Everything in that region is then more pvp orientated (have high elves and high bourne (night elf mages) start in Dalaran) and life gets a lucky gold star.
What are you willing to sacrifice?
When are "good guys" not blamed for what they do. Or, who do you even mean by "good guys", and what are the specific things they've done they're not getting blamed for? Of all the player races the Forsaken are doing the worst things. What you're saying just sounds like an excuse for that. "Other people do bad things too"
To grow a new world tree is hardly a horrible and evil act. For a race, that used to be immortal to wish for that immortality to return is hardly an immoral thing. To compare it to the torture and the terrible experiments the Forsaken are doing is simply ludicrous.
There are several things about the development of the plague that make it different from just normal weapons.
1. In order to develop it, it was tested on living (or undead) subjects.
2. Its purpose was to destroy all life. Usually weapons are not meant to destroy all life indiscriminately. In addition to that the original intention was that it would also raise the fallen as undead, like the original plague did. So far that did not work, but I assume it's still on their "planned"-list. At that point their really is no difference to the Scourge, other than their loyalty and that subjects are not completely mind-controlled. Still they are awakened in a state where they are probably confused and easily susceptible. Even Garrosh, who used terrible weapons like manabombs did not approve of using the plague.
3. It destroys the land. It is a plague and it does what a plague does. It defiles the land and life itself.
I listed some of them, many times, over and over. Westfall rebellion, Teldrassil, Garithos vs. blood elves, camp Taurajo...
Teldrassil itself was an experiment, its victims got washed ashore in Darkshore. Vanilla quests actually indicate that carcasses of sea animals are an effect of Teldrassil. It's about the hypocrisy of the nature-loving Circle that screwed the nature as soon as there was a boon of immortality in doing it. Just because there you weren't explicitly shown sobbing victims, doesn't mean there weren't any. I, for one, was impressed by that mud pie quest and peasants blaming Wrynn for it. You were impressed by Undercity.To grow a new world tree is hardly a horrible and evil act. For a race, that used to be immortal to wish for that immortality to return is hardly an immoral thing. To compare it to the torture and the terrible experiments the Forsaken are doing is simply ludicrous.
The evolution of any weaponry suggests casualties, because the ultimate test is in combat. Testing the plague, as a WMD, can at least be contained to one subject at a time.There are several things about the development of the plague that make it different from just normal weapons.
1. In order to develop it, it was tested on living (or undead) subjects.
You know, when manabomb got dropped on Theramore, I didn't notice that someone got spared by the blast wave. Also, one can take a sword and gut anyone and anything with it - women, children, pets, their flesh is just a bit softer than warrior's.2. Its purpose was to destroy all life. Usually weapons are not meant to destroy all life indiscriminately.
Lolwut? It's just an average hater conjecture, good luck trying to prove anything of that. I've been hearing it since vanilla, eight years and it's still just fantasies.In addition to that the original intention was that it would also raise the fallen as undead, like the original plague did. So far that did not work, but I assume it's still on their "planned"-list. At that point their really is no difference to the Scourge, other than their loyalty and that subjects are not completely mind-controlled.
Two out of three awakened Forsaken that you talk to in starting quests, choose a different path.Still they are awakened in a state where they are probably confused and easily susceptible.
That was in Cataclysm, when he still wasn't insane and stupid and had some honor. Now he uses radioactive manabombs and Sha possession, he's a different character now.Even Garrosh, who used terrible weapons like manabombs did not approve of using the plague.
You know what a bomb does? It leaves a charred, smoking crater in which nothing survives. And plague is a form of life, too, it's just different from your fluffy bunnies. Bacteria (which provides contagiousness) and parasites are also alive, whether you think it's pretty or not - and in withering and decay of one organism, there's a triumph of thousand more. That's the wisdom of Nurgle.3. It destroys the land. It is a plague and it does what a plague does. It defiles the land and life itself.
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